Bob Sacamano

Jesus this thread title is misleading

I don't understand the "if we blow this deal, it screws the club for decade(s)." If he leaves in 3 years via free agency, we aren't screwed?

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 08:21 AM) Can someone sum up what he said when he's done? I can't listen to it right now. I'm assuming its info we already know.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 05:49 PM) Why no way? My bad I thought there was an amd between Benintendi and Moncada. Still don't see it happening. I see it being one of Benintendi and Bradley, and then one of Moncada and Devers, and then 3 other guys.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 05:28 PM) Callis talking about a package from Boston of JBJ, Moncada or Benintendi, Devers and Kopech. No way that deal happens. I was listening live to this and shook my head.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 04:43 PM) Houston will probably look to give away their 1b/DH who struggled mightily (Tyler White), just like the Rangers with Gallo. Tucker, the first round draft pick with some similarities to Ryan Sweeney but more power potential, is another name. Plus they do have a logjam with Bregman, Gurriel, Altuve and Correa, unless one of the first two go to LF/DH/1b (losing some surplus positional calue.) Plus, they already have Gattis. There's also the Pirates, Rangers and Cardinals to consider. Still believe the Dodgers want to send Puig packing in any major trade. They also added Aoki already who's number look good last year. Added him to help off-set all the K's in the lineup.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 04:39 PM) The Wild card for Houston is Yulieski Gurriel. Both he and Bregmann play 3b. It makes no sense for the White Sox to go after him since he's 32, but they have to figure out where he's playing next year. They have a young 1b who might be sliding in, which would move Gurriel to corner OF perhaps, which makes for an odd setup when you've just signed a Cuban 3b. They have a few young 1B. Gattis also in DH spot.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 04:17 PM) It would take more than Bregman to get a deal done Bregman, Tucker and Musgrove/Martes/Whitley/Paulino plus one more B+ prospect starts to get close to an acceptable return for the White Sox Well yeah...they suggested Bregman and then like 4 others.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) Feels like less talk about Houston as a potential partner than I would think. They'd seem to be a type of team looking to make a big splash and get to the next level - especially with an affordable contract like Sale (maybe worth more to Houston than a Dodgers type with inifinite $) Matt Spiegel on the Score was talking about how he loves them as a destination for Sale. They need a front of the rotation arm to go along with the great youth around the rest of the field. Him and Jim Callis were saying Bregman could be expendable since Correa and Altuve are up the middle and Gurriel is at third. Would love to get Bregman.

QUOTE (bruni @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 12:11 PM) Why do posters keep talking about the Dodgers reluctance to include Urias in a package for Sale when even since July it was reported that Urias was dangled as part of a return for Sale? For Sale alone the deal must include Urias plus 2 top 50 prospects and at least one more top 100 guy. Throw Frazier into the mix would likely require another top 100 guy and 2 lottery picks. This is why - to me anyway - the Dodgers should have the ammo to pull off the deal. Agreed. And, depending on what else the Dodgers do this offseason, they will have 3 picks in the first 35 or so. And if they don't resign Frazier, they can get a draft pick for him in the 2018 draft. They can restock their farm a bit. They also have the ability to lock up Sale beyond his current deal.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 11:36 AM) Well said, good friend. I've already come to grips with seeing Sale in a different uniform. It is what it is. All I hope is the Sox improve from this process. Exactly. Sucks it's come to this since he's so great but it is what it is.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 10:54 AM) You don't have to though. He has 4 years of control. Can be moved at deadline. Or next offseason. Or the one after. This is the point I've been hammering lol everyone is trying to rush everyone out of here. A full rebuild can take 3-4 years (maybe even more). Guys can be held onto and dealt if you don't feel like a deal is what you want right now. Realistically, I see one of Sale/Quintana, Abreu, Jones and likely Eaton here for at least until June. I don't see many teams willing to give up their top talent. I'd love to be proven wrong and see most of those guys dealt for huge hauls but I'm taking a realistic approach. Melky, Frazier, Robertson and one Sale/Q I see dealt.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) You move Q as well if a team offers a big haul. Sale and Q have the most value Fixed.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 10:47 AM) Every team in the majors would take Seager over Sale. He's a SS that just put up 7.5 fWAR and has 5 years of control remaining, lol. Yep. My post was supposed to be a response to the guy who suggested we get Seager back lol

I'm nervous about a rebuild, but I'm ready for a change and it's worth the risk.

Honestly, if I were the Dodgers, I'd take Seager over Sale. If they dealt Seager, they would have no 2B, 3B, or SS.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 10:21 AM) We had plans to go to a couple of games in July and probably for the rest of the year, but when the "Meltdown" happened we pretty much decided against it. It's sad, the Sox could have started playing well, but we almost knew that they wouldn't. The Sox currently have exciting players worth seeing in person, but it's incredibly disheartening to have an exciting start to the season followed by sheer mediocrity. There was no reason for me to move my butt into the city, pay several dollars for transit or parking and beer, as well as food. It doesn't help that I'm a student and I have to be concerned about my budget. When I choose to expend on entertainment, I want to be excited about it. I couldn't find excitement even for Sale games. I feel ya man. I've been on a budget most of this past year due to most of my earnings going towards my school loans. Trying to save money by paying them off ASAP lol

QUOTE (South Sider @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 10:13 AM) I'm right there with you. This could be one of, if not the most epic offseason in White Sox history. While I love our players, big time trades that may revitalize the franchise are enough to get me stoked about next year. Heck, if enough of the new acquisitions actually play next year, you might even see me go to more games! Young exciting talent, cheap tickets, short beer and bathroom lines? I will be there to drink a few beers and have a good time with some buds for sure. This past season, I basically refused to go for the last 3 months.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 10:01 AM) Yeah, gonna have to plead some ignorance here not knowing what we are getting back. But I really like our 2016 draft class, assume I'll like our returns. Much of the rumors are of players in AA/AAA. That could be first year they come up. Our budget would be super low, and could feasibly load up on holes in 2019 with a much deeper team. But, obviously risky. If we get really bad returns and only 3-4 starters let alone stars then this is a decade lost. What is it if we hold onto everyone until they leave via free agency finishing middle of the pack every year?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:30 AM) I don't really buy this idea we need to keep some of our good players. I think every move that we make should be about creating a serious competitive window from 2019/2020 to 2024. Eaton can fit into a portion of that window, but he'll also be a 30 to 31 year old speed-based player by that time. Meanwhile, we'll have wasted anywhere from $60M to $120M of his surplus value during our rebuilding process. I still think there are packages out there for Eaton that will provide more value during that competive window than keeping him provides. IMO, if we get that type of offer, we should definitely take it no matter how good Eaton is today. There should be no urgency to move him though. They can deal him next offseason or the following one as well.

There may be enough teams with enough talent to trade for one of Sale, Eaton, Quintana and Jones but that doesn't mean teams are willing to pay it. I think that's what everyone needs to understand here. The Sox also shouldn't accept less just to make a move.

I wish we could fast forward a month and see what kind of moves (if any) have happened.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:18 AM) Adam Eaton is a 6WAR player with 5 years of control for $38 million. Over the last season and a half, he has been one of the top 10 position players in baseball. Why would the Sox trade him? If you are trading him why not Rodon? Why not Anderson? Those are guys I would definitely plan on holding onto unless I got a huge haul for Eaton.

Don't think he gets dealt. We'd have to be blown away and not many teams have the bullets to get it done.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:08 AM) Yeah, I don't see Braves as an ideal partner. For me, a package would have to be around Inciarte, Swanson, and Albies, but that's still on the light side. I agree. It's nice to have another team interested though