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And because Eaton had a poor April that somehow discounts him too, even though his overall numbers for the year were pretty good.

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 09:55 AM) But part of the problem is that they are so poor as talent evaluators that even in "an offer they like" they will likely end up with sub par pieces coming back. Right because the Sox have never made a good trade or picked up guys undervalued by other clubs that turned out well for them. The Sox have done a very poor job of developing position players, but they've done OK in trades and international signings, this narrative that they're 100% incompetent when it comes to identifying talent is so lazy and tired.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 08:33 PM) Phil Rogers ‏@philgrogers 32m32 minutes ago Theo Epstein and Jeff Samardzija hanging together tonight in Chicago. Cubs have an interest in him. #HotStove #Cubs Man imagine the fury on this board if Jeff goes back to the Cubs and has a great season.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 07:01 PM) I feel like his fastball got hit a lot because he was cutting down on sliders. Not sure the stats back that up but I'm sure someone who knows where to find his BAA on fastballs and BAA on sliders and changeups will tell us. Lefties I think also hit him much better than in past years. Maybe too many fastballs instead of sliders to LH's ? http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?play...&position=P

I still don't think Greinke would have won if he pitched for the Pirates or Cardinals instead with the same numbers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 06:16 PM) Baez is a guy I wouldn't mind the White Sox gamble on - I like the idea of piling up guys who have talent but who have had major issues in the past to see if they can turn things around. That's one way to fix the mess fairly quickly - find a guy another team gives up on that turns his career around. However, I'd look at him that way - nothing more than a low value gamble, whereas I think they'd still like to get substantial value for him. I wouldn't mind a Baez gamble either, but not as a centerpiece to a Quintana trade, no thank you. Also for those who want Schwarber, Quintana should not be traded for a DH projected at 2 WAR and with whom we would still royally suck against LHP. Maybe if other pieces came with Schwarber, but I feel like the Cubs would push for a 1-to-1 swap.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 05:57 PM) Generally half surprised that Detroit still looking to "all-in" it again. Can't help but expect them to do something big in the FA market after that deal. With the Verlander and Cabrera deals, what other choice do they have?

Even if ISIS started successfully pulling off attacks in the US, you'd still be much more likely to die driving to work than in a terrorist attack. Precautions are good, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 02:54 PM) Best FIP because of what. Because FIP values strike-outs more than anything out, but a good pitch still is effective. With the same defense, Greinke gave up fewer hits and had a lower WHIP. Yes, Kershaw gave up more homeruns than would be expected and he shouldn't have, but whatever, that doesn't matter because this is based upon real performance and this season he really did give up those runs. Just because they had the same defense doesn't mean it affected their performance in the exact same way. Defenses don't play the exact same way every game. Kershaw led baseball in lowest exit velocity coming off the bat. You're giving Greinke way too much credit for the outs he got without a strikeout. His absurdly low BABIP (.229 vs. a career .298) suggests he was a huge beneficiary of good luck. Hell Brett Anderson led the MLB in soft-hit% and gave up the lowest line drive rate of all qualified starters, yet behind that same defense he still had a BABIP over .300.

Why not just do 50% of what happened, 50% of what should have happened, seems the fairest way to do it. Take the average of the bWAR and fWAR.

I mean, it's honestly not a bad sales pitch.

I honestly don't think selling off and blowing it up would bring back as much young talent as people are hoping for.

Anyone else watch The Last Kingdom? Pretty interesting historical drama that I'm just getting into, definitely worth checking out.

Honestly would be shocked if Arrieta doesn't win it, I don't think it will be as close as people think.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 11:17 AM) I think they go out and get a starter in FA and then add another via trade. Their rotation was all sorts of bad last year. Their rotation ranked 12th in the MLB in WAR and 6th in the AL.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 10:53 AM) I will add that even though the offseason traditionally "starts" at the winter meetings, there has already been plenty of activity around the league, some of which could have greatly benefited the team. It's just a really bad look for the FO. They can say whatever they want and we as a fanbase know KW talks out of his ass regularly, but they just dont look prepared. Still think you're reading way too much into it. As fathom said there's pretty much zero reason to pay any attention to what they say, especially KW. And you really think they've been sitting on their asses the last few months? I see no reason to think they're unprepared.

Holy s*** people are reading way too much into these comments.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) What is the point of trading a young good starting pitcher? Maybe they don't trust him to hold up after the surgery?

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 09:10 AM) The value of Quintana and Sale will never be higher than it is right now. Proven track records and health will not be greater next year. A lost year of cost control, 200 innings and potential health issues make it the time to do something now. You either take the steps to improve for 2016 or you move one or both of them. I disagree, have you seen the FA crop for SP next offseason? It is downright ugly, and Sale/Quintana would probably have more value next offseason even with the loss of a year of control. Teams are still going to need SP next year, and trade will be pretty much the only way to go. Right now there are tons of options in free agency, so the return wouldn't be as high.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) Yeah they look similar to last year sans the defense. Have the Bulls blown anyone out in their wins this year? 76ers

QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 16, 2015 -> 11:00 AM) There's a lot of Christian terrorists in Africa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism Any religion, when looked at by dumbass fundamentalists, can turn bad. There are fundamentalists everywhere, but the problem with Islam is that a not insignificant number of moderate Muslims hold extreme views by our standards. The sample size in that poll isn't very large at 600 and I'm not sure about the soundness of the methodology behind the poll, but even if the true percentages are half of what the poll says, those are troubling numbers. https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/201...-shariah-jihad/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/1...terrorists.html

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 15, 2015 -> 08:59 PM) Acquiring Freeman would push Abreu to DH. I'd love to get Freeman. I'd offer LaRoche, Montas, Danish, and Hawkins. That is a horrible deal for the Braves. Probably would take something like Anderson/Adams/Trey, maybe even more.

Edwin Jackson was actually pretty good for us, not sure why he's an example of a veteran failure.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 14, 2015 -> 01:40 AM) You know I'm sure the Jays were too worried about getting Coors Field Tulo. You mean the Tulo that had a .697 OPS with the Blue Jays?

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 07:41 PM) Half of the NL isn't even pretending to compete for next year Are any AL teams even rebuilding? Maybe Oakland, but I would not be at all surprised if they were good next year. Meanwhile in the NL the Padres, Rockies, Braves, Phillies, Marlins, Reds and Brewers are in rebuilding mode or have little hope of contending. What a joke.