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QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 01:38 PM) There is a rental from the past couple seasons who had value. The White Sox had a great offer. KW said no to moving him. He wanted to try and compete. Damn, any idea on what the offer was? Even in general terms instead of specific names?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) Just throwing this out there, but wonder if Cubs could be in play with the possibility they trade one of their young stars. If they want to sell low on Russell as part of a package....yes please If they were willing to give up Russell for Quintana then I don't think we would get much beyond him, maybe a lottery ticket or two at best.

I know in recent history Hahn hasn't done much at the deadline but we also weren't rebuilding during those times. I guess you could argue we were rebuilding last year at the deadline but we really didn't have any expiring assets like we do this year. The impending free agents we did have had no value.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) I don't even think they will trade a bunch. Just anyone with an expiring deal like Nunez. Yeah I think they fully intend to compete next year so I don't see a big sell off.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) Perhaps, but unless a contender significantly ups the trade package offer I do not feel like any deal appears to be close. Hahn and Co. should have a very good idea of what his trade value is and if a trade package is the right move to make. We very well could be seeing Quintana's market heating up as teams realize the Sox are serious about moving him. Time to get offers in. He's been on the market so long at this point that any potential deal should come together very quickly if/when it happens.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 10:04 PM) I fear, like I have for the last few deadlines, that given Hahn's general lack of July trade activity, we won't see more than a couple deals. Obviously that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if the right offers aren't there. It would make zero sense to not take the best offers for Frazier/Swarzak/Melky though, and I doubt there won't be any offers for them, even if Melky ends up as just an August acquisition. I'd also be shocked if Robertson is still around, there's pretty much a zero percent chance his value will get any higher. So that should be a minimum of four deals.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 04:19 PM) It's fun but meaningless. Doesn't that describe all of sports in general?

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) I used to really enjoy these from FG but it's become obvious that teams don't really value these guys the same way FG (or at least Cameron) do. And even then, it's so fluid that trying to do a "yearly" list doesn't really work. What was Aaron Judge's trade value in April? What will it be when he comes back to earth next summer? Just an example. If trade value wasn't fluid, then there'd be no point to doing yearly lists because you could just make one and call it a day. The fluidity makes the exercise more fun.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 03:17 PM) I think the idea is if Sale was #10 or whatever he was and Moncada was somewhere near there too, then Sox shouldn't have gotten another very valuable prospect back in Kopech and a not-insignificant third piece and another lottery ticket in the same deal. The other alternative would be to crank up Sale's trade value ranking but that probably didn't seem justified though I don't remember where he was. I get that line of thinking but Cameron himself at this time last year wrote an article saying that a Moncada/Kopech+ deal for Sale made sense for both sides. He essentially predicted the exact deal around the time he ranked Moncada that high in the 2016 trade value rankings, so it's kind of odd that when that deal happened it made him think that Moncada actually had less value than he originally thought.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 01:50 PM) I read something on twitter that says Swarzak is #1 in MLB in hard hit ball % (meaning he allows the lowest percentage of HH Balls) among relief pitchers. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&sort=20,a Here he's 8th. Felipe Rivero is 1st.

I just don't see a fit with the Dodgers, or why they would need another SP. Kershaw and Wood are the best 1-2 punch in the game, Hill/McCarthy can be a suitable #3 for the playoffs and they can piggyback their other guys for the 4th playoff spot. Their rotation leads all of baseball in ERA, FIP and WAR.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 10:36 AM) We're going to have to reassess how much war numbers really matter to opposing GM's if we don't get quasi ace value for Q. Even in a down year, he's STILL around 20th in fWAR, making him a TOR starter for all but about 15-18 teams. Bwar is only 1, so huge spread there...whereas he and Vargas are even at fangraphs, bwar has Vargas as 4 and second in AL to Sale, while fWAR they're both exactly 2's. Huge disparity/discrepancy. What matters is what GMs expect going forward, not what happened in the first half. The first half only really matters if GMs believe that Quintana is now a different pitcher than he was a few months ago. He's had an uptick in walk rate, but that's somewhat offset by a similar uptick in strikeout rate. His homerun rate has increased, but his exit velocity, hard hit numbers and flyball rate are pretty much exactly the same as last year so I don't think he lost his homerun suppression ability. His velocity and stuff look pretty much the same. Not sure why you're bringing up Vargas because the Royals aren't selling but the only difference between his first half numbers and his usual numbers is a lack of homeruns, an ability he's never shown before. Although he's given up 5 homeruns in his last 3 starts, so I don't think opposing GMs would buy into his early season homer suppression continuing if he was put on the block.

It was an awful trade but I'm already sick of hearing about Tatis every 4th post.

Yeah unless Quintana goes on an Arrieta 2015-like run to close out the season I don't see a scenario where his trade value is higher this offseason than it is right now. Trade him for the best offer, whatever that may be.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 10:18 PM) Call me crazy, but I think this was a very positive outing for Q. His curve was nasty, he got squeezed a little, and his defense let him down a couple times. I would have to think scouts were happy with what they saw, regardless of the boxscore. Agreed, I'm pretty happy with the start all things considered.

Flowers' career BABIP is .330 though, and even with a 60 point drop his numbers will still look good if that improved K rate is legitimate. But he wasn't going to be a part of the next good White Sox team anyway, so it doesn't matter.

I voted for Swarzak but another question might be who do you think doesn't get traded? I think everyone on that list but Avi/Shields/Abreu/Holland goes. Melky is an August acquisition for someone.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 04:56 PM) Nice pitch selection, what a bonkers game. Rangers should be ashamed they didn't sweep I hope this series doesn't convince them to become sellers.

I don't care what extra angles they get, he was clearly safe.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 03:20 PM) Nothing, the defense ruined it. Cost Q many pitches Yeah I don't think this start changes things either way.

That was impressive range by Sanchez.

3 weak grounders, 3 baserunners

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 01:55 PM) Frazier dropped it Ah you're right I missed that.

That looked out on the replay, why no challenge?

Who would have thought that after 81 games the Cubs would be scoring fewer runs/game than the Sox?