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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:43 PM) Thats four years from now. IF he continues his current trajectory you can spin him for more prospects in that time. The guy was what Moncada is now, the #1 prospect in baseball, a switch hitting 19 year old middle IF with 5 tool potential (except much better defensively) - though with injuries setting him back the last couple of seasons he has been delayed in his development. He is shaking the rust off and now would be a good time to try and buy low and hope he takes off. He has the exact same years remaining as Sale and hasn't broke out yet. If he had already broken out, then it would make more sense. But right now he's far from a sure thing and you can't afford to be patient with him given his years remaining. Not sure how trading Sale or Quintana for him would be buying low either.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:23 PM) I don't buy that. I think Boston would include both, but the Sox are asking for even more than that (Betts, etc.). If Boston isn't willing to include both those prospects from the get go, there's really no conversations about Sale to be had. I agree, there's no way Betts or Bogaerts is going anywhere, but if Boston isn't willing to include both Moncada and Benintendi for Sale they can get bent. Otherwise there really isn't a package that makes it worth it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:03 PM) We actually kinda do, because we can see how the FA market shapes up. Pre-2017 it is terrible, perhaps the worst FA market in decades. Literally everyone but Cespedes who would deserve big money is under contract. Josh Reddick has a shot at $100 million because if your revenue grew this year there's literally no where to spend it. That means, if your team is thinking that they can make one last run in 2017...you better be prepared to pay a fortune. Since the FA market is that bad, you can also expect the trade market to be an incredible seller's market because everyone will be buying from any team willing to part with their guys. In the 2018 offseason that's going to turn around. It will be the biggest free agent period we'll ever see. The Yankees will have cleared $100 million from their payroll compared to this season by then. Counting guys who got opt-out clauses like last year, it's going to be an absolute bonanza. Bryce Harper will set the market with whatever he gets from the Yankees, but then it will seem like everyone is out on the market. Cespedes will be the best FA on the market in 2017 and he wouldn't be in the top 10 in 2018. It'll wind up somewhat like last offseason, but perhaps worse - there will be a number of guys available to fill slots as free agents that teams just don't want to spend money on. If you're trying to rebuild that year by selling players, you're going to run into a buyer's market. Teams that want to rebuild at that time, who have hit a wall - they're going to find they're SOL if they try to sell that offseason because why give up prospects when you can just give up money? That's the offseason after the 2018 season, not before it, makes a big difference. The offseason after next year will still be terrible for buying free agents. The bonanza is still three offseasons away, and who knows who will be locked up/declined by then.

Dave Cameron has a Fangraphs chat today, and I submitted this question: "If the Red Sox were willing to include both Moncada and Benintendi for Sale, do you think the White Sox would make the trade?" His answer: "Yes. But I don't think Boston would do that."

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) Which is why trading 1 of Sale or Quintana is optimal at this point. Keep an ace and fill the teams needs for young bats with one them. With that said, no rush, pitching market is gonna suck for a while. Wait for the overpay, it will come. I agree. A rebuild doesn't need to be a total teardown. If you can get someone to get desperate and overpay for Sale or Q, then you could potentially speed up the rebuild by a couple seasons and eliminate the need to sell off EVERYBODY (instead of 2020 you could look towards 2018). But that means we absolutely need to nail this trade.

QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 08:35 AM) Why? To have a mediocre record and lesser draft picks while your young talent grows in the minors? If you're rebuilding let the majors squad be a full on dumpster fire, being mediocre is much worse because you're always spinning your wheels. Do you really think if we trade off everyone except a couple guys that the team will be mediocre? You need someone to build the team around, otherwise you're just going to be rebuilding forever.

Why are people so high on Profar anyway? He has just three years of control, and it's not like he's lit the world on fire so far, he's been a league-average hitter. His minor league numbers are just OK too. What am I missing? Is it just the positional versatility?

I honestly have no idea who the AL Cy Young favorite is right now, there's no standout this year. There's 6-7 guys who are basically equal right now.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 07:39 AM) My prediction based on what I have seen with this team: 1) They will trade veterans: Robertson, Melky, Frazier and Lawrie. This will piss off Sale even more. 2) Robin Ventura leaves on his 'own accord' at season end since his contract runs out. 3) Hahn/KW stay. (Because JR is loyal and delusional) 4) Sale continues to throw management under the bus and will get traded this winter. 5) They keep Q, Eaton and Abreu to 'build a new young core around' instead of rebuilding properly. "Rebuilding properly" doesn't mean selling off everyone who has any kind of value, you need to keep someone around.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 09:36 PM) This team is fool's gold. Sell sell sell. With that said its always great beating the worldly Cubs I wouldn't say fool's gold, pretty much everyone expected this to be a .500 team and that's what they are. I'm fine with not trading Quintana/Sale right now if the offers aren't there, but they need to take advantage of the price tag on relievers.

Unless the Sox win out to the deadline, I doubt this changes anything. Always nice to beat these guys though.

That was an ugly AB by Bryant.

It's his swing. http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/07/06/jason-hey...n-kershaw-stats http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs...ing-is-glaring/

Just donated, I was born 10 weeks early and had a host of problems myself afterwards. Hope everything turns out OK like it did for me.

Not a lot of strikeouts, but after all the control issues he's had, just 8 walks in 78.2 innings at Charlotte is nice to see.

Jones to close?

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:22 PM) Nightingale says the Marlins are at the game scouting Gonzo In this SP market he may have some decent value to someone.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:14 PM) Most people disagree. He doesn't have the stuff and talent of Sale so his perceived value is less. He's doing very well this year but overall for the long term Sale has more sustainable value. Sale has more value but the gap is a lot smaller than a lot of people think.

QUOTE (MDWhiteSoxFan @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 08:52 PM) Basically the only player worthy of this guy is Kershaw and that's with LA eating the contract Funny thing is Kershaw has a clause in his contract where he immediately becomes a free agent if traded, ruining a lot of his value for other teams.

I feel like people are undervaluing De Leon here (have you seen his strikeout numbers?), but yeah without Urias it's probably not enough, though he's probably untouchable at this point.

Just because you have an excess of talent doesn't mean you should trade that talent for far less than it's worth. Chapman is great, but does he move the needle enough, especially with how much of a crapshoot the playoffs already are? It's not like he would have made a difference last year. At best they improved their odds by a percent or two. That kind of package could have netted you someone that can pitch for you beyond just this season. If they were going to overpay for a Yankee reliever, Miller would have made more sense (and yes, I know this same package could not have gotten Miller).

Quintana might fly under the radar among baseball fans and baseball media but I highly doubt that the vast majority of GMs don't know how good he is, otherwise they would be incompetent at their jobs. And that's all that matters. I don't think perception will hurt him.

You're right, absolutely no one on this board had talked about Abreu's struggles this year. It's not like we haven't had multiple threads about it or anything.

This is the same guy who claimed the Cubs could trade for Trout with a handful of prospects, being called out for dumb arguments is not the same as bullying.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 11, 2016 -> 09:06 PM) There's a lot of data to suggest players in the HRD have worse second halves than their first halves. The problem is, I have never seen comparison to how that compares to the average MLB player OR the average All-Star. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-home-run-derby-myth/ https://brokenclipboard.wordpress.com/2016/...n-derby-myth-2/ http://www.fangraphs.com/community/mythbus...-derby-edition/ Not really