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QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 05:16 PM) We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Betts is a really nice player, but he's not a perennial All-Star with borderline-HOF skills. Starting pitchers can also dominate a game by themselves, and that makes them more valuable to a playoff team than a single position player. Betts' main advantage over Sale is that he's cheaper and under team control for one extra year. IMO he's already a top 10 player in the league (9th in WAR over the last season and a half) and he's still just 23. Since the beginning of last season he's provided more value than Sale, he's really really good.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 05:00 PM) If you're arguing that Sale and his contract are worth less than that, you're fooling yourself. The fact that Hahn didn't reach an agreement with Dombrowski today doesn't prove anything, as none of us know what they discussed. Given that the Red Sox didn't trade for a starting pitcher with another team, it's possible that they had limited interest in Sale to begin with and were prepared to go into the playoffs as is. That could change this winter. Betts is worth more than Sale alone, if the Red Sox believe this year's Bradley is the real one then he is too. If they wouldn't budge on Moncada then they're probably not going to budge on two guys worth more than Moncada. We just have to hope they'll give in on a Benintendi/Moncada combo in the winter. Hopefully their pitching blows up down the stretch and they miss the playoffs. That's the best shot.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:57 PM) When you go to the link click on top twenty by team and take a look…………..explains why we are mediocre! Oh man that list is hard to look at.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 04:24 PM) Cubs got Joe Smith for next to nothing. Really good addition to their bullpen. Their pen has gone from the biggest weak spot on the team to a possible strong point. After looking at his numbers, is he really any better than what they have already? Who's the odd man out?

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) We can either assume the White Sox are asking too much or the Red Sox aren't offering enough, there's really no other ground to take here. Based off of moves Boston has made in the past and "moves" the White Sox have done, I feel pretty confident in assuming its the White Sox that are causing the issue until proven otherwise. Again, no idea what the internal talks were. I just find it hard to believe Boston wasn't ready to play ball and come at us with a legit trade offer. Quite honestly, I think they probably got a great offer but deep down refuse to pull the plug on this team. I really doubt Boston offered both Moncada and Benintendi, every indication was that was the holdup. But I still can't believe Robertson and the others are still here. I figured that at least he would be gone.

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) To be perfectly honest, I would be just fine if they said Moncada, Benintendi, and Devers for Sale. Done Deal. Obviously, I don't know the specifics of the discussions, but if were dicking around with lottery ticket A Ball players being added im just dumbfounded by it. That's 3 of the top 23 prospects in baseball, 2 of which are performing at a high level in Double A. That's MORE than enough for Chris Sale. This will more than likely be an unpopular take on the proposed Sale packages I really believe that if Boston had offered that, Hahn would have pulled the trigger. Even without Devers.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:57 PM) I legit ponder that Sale to Yanks is only real shot at this point (of moving Sale). Cashman and Kenny have historical strong working relationship and Cashman usually is a pretty fair guy when it comes to deals and they are looking long-term and have other ways of supplementing needs. Tate gives them extra ammunition, but Tate is also pretty overrated. His performance has been pretty lousy. ERA over 5 in A ball. People are down on Fulmer, but he's been better than Tate this year. Yeah I don't think Tate moves the needle much in the Yankees for Sale sweepstakes, he's fallen pretty hard this year.

Eh Tate is already dealing with injuries and is struggling in low-A ball. He's fallen off every top 100 prospect list that I've seen. I like the trade for the Rangers.

@BBTN UPDATE: A source tells ESPN's Jerry Crasnick that a medical issue might be holding up the Jay Bruce deal.

From reading around it seems like a great majority of Red Sox fans don't want a deal for Sale to get done.

Why would the Dodgers do it though?

Funny thing is I'm reading his chat and he says later that he's not high on Rodriguez at all, so not sure what makes it such an overpay.

From Dave Cameron's deadline chat today: Jimmy: Benintendi/Rodriguez/Devers/Swihart for Sale. Deal? Dave: That's a big overpay for Boston. C'mon Dave, big overpay?

C'mon man, stop trying to police how other people should enjoy sports. Part of the fun in sports is hating a team, and it's pretty easy for a Sox fan living in Chicago to hate the Cubs. You're not a superior fan because you don't hate the Cubs. Why does it matter to you?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) Any smoke out of Boston about why Moncada was pulled? He wasn't pulled, he played the whole game.

This isn't the mid-2000s anymore, Tillman shouldn't be in the mix just because of his record, and I don't think he is. I'm also going to be pretty upset if Hamels wins it with his very mediocre FIP. He's not deserving.

Not really a debate, Trout has way more value. Even at $30 million a year he's an incredible bargain.

Even if Boston was willing to do Betts straight up for Sale (and I don't think they would), it still doesn't make sense for this team. All you're doing is filling one hole and creating another, and it's not like there's a bunch of SP prospects banging on the door in our farm. It's completely pointless. If Sale is traded you need to fill multiple holes, not just one.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 02:05 PM) Rumors have it the Nats would trade Lucas Giolito for Andrew Miller straight up. That might be as bad as the Shelby Miller trade. Yeah and there are also rumors that the Yankees would say no to that deal. This is crazy.

So Cameron says a Benintendi/Devers/1 lower level guy (or Moncada/Kopech instead for the first two), Urias/Verdugo (or Bellinger instead of Verdugo)/2 lower level guys or Gallo/Brinson/Ortiz/1 lower level guy should be enough for the Sox to want to move Sale. If Sale was traded for any of those packages, would anyone here be happy with those trades?

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 01:11 PM) Figuring gallo just joined them and mazara has slowed a bit they are the 6th in baseball in runs. Not sure removing those 2 are going to take a major hit to their offense. Especially since they lost fielder and he hasn't been producing anyway. Throw in abreu and it will work out lol They're 18th in wRC+ and have scored most of their runs early in large part due to luck with sequencing. Since the sequencing has fallen back to normal levels they're a middle of the pack offense, and removing those two will just make it worse. Their offense has been a lot of smoke of mirrors this year, it's pretty average.

I don't see the Rangers happening because Mazara is a must and if he's included in a package with Gallo then the Rangers' lineup will become a joke. The upgrade to their rotation will be offset a lot by the downgrade to their offense.

If a team was willing to overpay, I really think Hahn would pull the trigger on a trade for Sale or Quintana. The problem is their price is so high I don't see a team willing to do it, at least not right now.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) I am not sure of that. Schwarber is obviously an AL type player and Baez isnt what is considered their core players. I dont have to tell you about Q and his greatness and he would be cost controlled to fill in for Arietta when he leaves for a massive contract. They wouldn't give up Baez for Tyson Ross last year when he had considerably less value than he does now, and they also don't need a SP, they're pretty well set there through at least the end of 2017. I just don't see how it makes any sense for them to do it right now.

Problem is there's no way the Cubs do that deal.