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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 05:38 PM) If you cant take the heat at Wisconsin, go to Arkansas with unrealistic SEC championship dreams? Especially when he has no chance of surpassing Alabama while Saban is there or LSU and Texas A&M is going to be much better than Arkansas for at least the time period that Manziel is there. Add in a Mississippi program that is recruiting very well right now, Miss St. with a solid coach in Mullen and an Auburn program that is generally strong and he really has his work cut out for him.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 04:34 PM) Maybe he thinks he can rule that side of the SEC? Not sure other than the HUGE raise. The coaching and talent pool he will face in the SEC is a hell of alot deeper than the Big Ten. The side of the SEC with Alabama and LSU? Yeah, good luck with that.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 3, 2012 -> 01:45 PM) Illinois at 14 (ap) and 13 (coaches) Beat Gonzaga and they're top 10 next week. Probably ranked too high right now but I'm going to enjoy this while it lasts.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Dec 2, 2012 -> 02:09 PM) Yeah, you can't lose to Iowa without a halfway respectable win and cry about going to a BCS game. If NIU gets to a BCS game, it's just another example of how f***ed up the system is. NIU isn't good, let's move on. Agreed. NIU lost to Iowa and Kent St. lost to Kentucky by over 30. The MAC has no business getting a BCS slot.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 30, 2012 -> 10:22 AM) Yeah, f*** that article. Both Weber and Zook were spinning wheels. This entire email/article/post completely ignores the fact that Zook was an awful coach and lucked into that Rose Bowl. His players rarely showed progression throughout a season, and the team for sure didn't. The weakest link in the entire team was special teams, Zook's supposed forte. He benefited from crazy good recruiters to get athletes, but they never were coached properly. Since 2005 Illinois has had just as much talent (if not more) than every team in the Big Ten, but it resulted in barely anything. I think Illinois CAN be the next Wisconsin - an annual contender for the Rose Bowl. There's no reason they can't be better than Northwestern, Purdue, Minnesota or Michigan State. It's a basketball school sure, but once the ball gets rolling fans come out and the support becomes huge. I was at that ASU game last year and you could feel the energy in the stadium was like the 80's and early 90's when Illinois was a good program. Zook was never able to capitalize on the success, just like Weber. If Thomas was hired because he was willing to fire them both, good. They both needed to go and probably should have been shown the door sooner. The weakest link last year was the offense, as it was this year, because Zook hasn't recruited a good offensive player since the 2008 class. His coaching of the special teams was impressively bad though. His 2009 class was very good on the defensive side of the ball but you have to go back to landing Leshoure and Jenkins in 2008 to find a good offensive player. The bottom line is that if you believe Zook's buddy that the season fell apart because he didn't get an extension based on 6 games, then all that does is confirm that Thomas made the right choice in firing Zook. If Zook is so fragile that not getting an extension for a half season of good results against terrible competition than he was never going to be truly successful.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Nov 30, 2012 -> 10:08 AM) I'm not sure I buy all the recruiting stuff he said. Zook's 2010 and 2011 classes weren't very good. It looked like he lost some of that recruiting mojo. If this (getting Miles, Morrison, and Brown) were somehow proven to be true I would want to kill someone. His 2010 and 2011 classes were terrible. There are only a handfull of players in those two classes combined that look like they even have the potential to be above average Big 10 players. The 2010 class is absolutely awful outside of Brown and the 2011 class while young does not appear to have a single difference maker. Zook's 2012 class was horrendous as well when he got fired. We may have kept Brown if Zook stays (hard to say for sure because the reason we got him was that we offered his brother who isn't good but Louisville did the same thing to land them) but I don't buy that they were going to get Morrison or Miles for a second. It is nice that Zook's buddy thinks they were but Morrison and Miles both committed to programs before the 2011 season even started and before Zook's job was in jeopardy. Those guys weren't coming to Illinois if Zook gets an extension.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 29, 2012 -> 08:35 PM) And the Spurs are getting "sanctions" for this, really? Absolutely ridiculous. They aren't losing games on purpose, they are just making sure their guys stay healthy and fresh over the course of the season. There is nothing wrong with this.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com...ssouri-is-over/ Dixon dismissed from Missouri.

Ugh, hate seeing that happen to Udofia.

Terrible luck for Illinois tonight. Georgia Tech playing good defense but a bunch of terrible shooters are making 3s for them right now.

QUOTE (Rex Hudler @ Nov 28, 2012 -> 10:57 AM) Three... Are you forgetting Elston or discounting the minutes for Jurkin? I don't think either will regularly log more than 5-10 minutes. I really think it will be February before we see them hitting on all cylinders, barring any further injuries. It will take time for the three big guys to meld into the lineup. The word that describes IU to me is unselfish. As good as they look, the Big Ten is loaded and it should be a crazy and fun conference season. I'm not sure how good MSU and OSU will be, but I'm pretty sure they can be as good as anyone. And Michigan has looked fantastic. I'd like to forget about Illinois, but while they are 7-0, I can't do it. I don't think they belong with those top 4 teams, but they've been a helluva lot better than I thought they would be. Illinois can beat anyone in the conference on a given night but the frontcourt isn't good enough to be a threat to any of those 4 over the long haul. Unless the light goes on for Egwu, and I think that is at least a year away, we just aren't going to get enough production inside and our rebounding isn't good enough to really be a true threat to finish in the top 4 in the conference this year with how strong the league is.

Lance Louis placed on IR, done for the year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 11:35 PM) Funny thing is Stanford with their new QB might be the best team in the country now. Until anybody proves that they can play with and beat the SEC's best I'm sticking with that conference.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 11:21 PM) Yep, just a terrible set of offensive calls by the goal line. Once it got to 3rd down, might as well do the fade again and draw the PI. Fake the fade and run a slant, the DB was overplaying the fade significantly on the last play and they had man to man coverage. No way that guy stays in front of Lee.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 11:19 PM) What do you want from him? He threw on first down two times in a row. His team got to the one-yard line. Your offense has to be able to get that. His team has been stuffed on the goal line running the ball all night. You have amazing wide receivers. Keep throwing, it isn't like ND has stopped that all night. And you are making it easier for ND to stop the run when you only have 1 WR on the field and let them go all out to stop the run.

Lane Kiffin is a terrible football coach. Unbelievably awful clock management here.

So remember when Kirk Hinrich was going to average 12 and 7? LOFL. Guy is absolute trash.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 08:43 PM) What does his recruiting class look like? If it is bad, they are probably going to fire him in a year or two anyway, so cutting their losses makes sense. But if they do that, shouldn't the AD go with him? Common sense would seem to indicate you wouldn't want the guy responsible for this hire be responsible for the next. The class is solid right now. Who knows if you keep those guys after this season though.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 03:02 PM) I don't think you can know right now that he's not the guy, but I don't really want to start that argument. I'm just saying that if I were an up and coming coach, I wouldn't touch Illinois with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole right now. I think you can. This team has some serious talent deficiencies but the play calling was horrendous all year and the lack of discipline on this team was astonishing. And I'm not just referring to penalties. Watch the defense and offense closely and it is amazing how often players are out of position or miss their assignments. We also are in week 12 and are still completely unorganized in getting plays relayed to the defense and offense.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 02:55 PM) I'm just saying that firing Beckman means 4 straight bad to terrible recruiting classes... It'd be tough for anybody to succeed in that scenario. If you wait to fire Beckman until after next year you won't be in a different situation. A new coach would have just as good of a chance at keeping this class together as Beckman will at this point.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 02:31 PM) Who would be dumb enough to take the job? Meh, college coaches tend to be pretty confident individuals and if a guy is getting 5 or 6 times his current salary he will take a shot. I wouldn't be looking at current D1 head coaches because we won't be able to get anyone good from those ranks, look to assistant coaches like Monken from Oklahoma St. or coaches from the lower ranks that are proven winners and go that route (if OSU was willing to hire Tressel there is no reason Illinois can't take a similar approach). There are a lot of capable coaches out there, go out and find one.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 12:45 PM) 2nd sideline interference penalty of the year. If there is a better summary of our season then Beckman on his ass butt-scooting off the field after he's penalized, please show me. He shouldn't get a second year. This team only has a handful of good football players but it is incredibly obvious that Beckman is a bad football coach.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2012 -> 11:16 PM) Yeah. Bo Ryan is really screwing Wisconsin right now. Hes letting a bunch of jokes jack up 3s when Sam Dekker is maybe the most talented player that has ever stepped on a Wisconsin basketball court. Might be higher ranked but I doubt that kid is more talented than Devin Harris.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2012 -> 03:11 PM) It should be penalty, but not negate the automatic review. I would have it be a 15 yard penalty plus a loss of a challenge. The fact that the play wasn't automatically reviewed yesterday was absolutely ridiculous. Schwartz has to know the rule but at the same time that rule is just remarkably stupid.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 22, 2012 -> 02:53 PM) I really don't get what isn't reviewable about that. See my post above. Touchdowns are automatically reviewed but if you throw the flag before the review it is not reviewable and the automatic review no longer happens.