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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 3, 2012 -> 04:39 PM) Hopefully some deep pocketed booster steps up and pays yet another buy-out. Monken should have been the guy last year, and should be now. Would be fine with me but Beckman will be here for three years unless they go winless next year in all likelihood. Hopefully for the next hire they actually hire a head coach who is intellectual and has had success coaching their side of the ball. I'm sick of f***ing meathead football guys.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 3, 2012 -> 04:22 PM) You can keep blaming Zook's last few recruiting classes for how bad this team is, but no one is buying it. There is still a little talent on this team. NFL talent, even. In the very least, we can all agree they should at least be competitive against the worst Big Ten just about ever. At least competitive enough for one half. They aren't. Just awful. We now have to fight to avoid what Indiana is/was. I've said many times that Beckman looks terrible but there isn't talent on this team, at least on offense. We couldn't score last year and we lost our only good offensive linemen and our only legitimate skill position player and replaced them with bad players. On defense we lost the guy who was by far the best player on defense and our best defensive back and replaced them with Staples who is terrible and a true freshman. Buchanan, Spence, Brown and Hawthorne are guys with some NFL ability but Brown has been banged up this year and when he isn't on the field we are playing two true freshmen at LB. The safety play is terrible, Staples is terrible and Williams and Green are just guys. The coaching on the defensive side of the ball has been awful but there isn't a coach in the country who can get that offense to score points. And frankly, I've said in this thread that I would be fine with Beckman getting fired because I don't think he has what it takes between the ears to be a really good coach.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Nov 3, 2012 -> 04:02 PM) I know it wasn't going to be close. I posted on the last page how tOSU looked like an easy play at -27.5. Beckman just looks like a terrible coach. He does look brutal but the talent level is also a major problem. We are without a doubt the least talented offense in the Big 10 and our talent on defense after the top few guys is dreadful. I thought the top 4 or 5 guys on the defense would be enough to make us solid on that end but it just hasn't happened. Our pass rush really misses Mercilus because the other guys haven't stepped up and his replacement Justin Staples is a terrible football player. We also replaced Tavon Wilson who was our best DB with a true freshman and replaced Ian Thomas with a true freshman. Then you throw in that Brown has been banged up this year which leads to Svetina playing (who has no business being in a Big 10 game) along with our terrible safeties and you have major talent deficiencies.

Also, it is laughable how little depth we have on defense. Zook's recruiting was as bad as any team in the country between 2010 and 2012. With Brown's injury we are now playing 2 true freshmen at LB (both recruited by Beckman) one of whom has no business being on the field, we have no talent on the defensive line other than the 3 SRs who have all underachieved this year, every safety in the program is terrible and we are forced to play freshmen in the nickel and dime packages because Zook didn't recruit a good CB after the 2009 class.

I'm honestly having a tough time figuring out if we have a single player on the offense other than maybe the RBs that would start for another Big 10 team. Scheelhaase is the worst QB in the conference, the WRs except for Millines are MAC level receivers and Millines can't stay healthy and the offensive line is horrendous. Young and Ferguson would see the field for other teams but neither is a difference maker.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Nov 3, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) Yeah, real close so far. This was never going to be close. You have a team that looks incredibly poorly coached that also has no talent. Thanks Ron Guenther for not firing Zook when you should have in 2009.

James Harden is a stud. What an awful trade by OKC.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:19 AM) The big 12 has gotten f***ed even when they DO have a title game. No reason Kstate should not be in the title game if they win out. What the hell are you talking about? The Big 12 has never gotten f***ed when it comes to getting a team in the title game. I'm not sure you can point to a single season where the Big 12 didn't get a team into the title game that deserved it.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 1, 2012 -> 05:09 PM) ILL just has this effect on OSU where its always close and surprising. OSU also blows against "spread-like" offensive teams. If the Bucks can run the ball with ease then it will be a blowout but I still think they wont cover. I personally think it will be a close game. Yeah, but most of those spread teams either have a dynamic runner at QB, a QB that can throw the ball or wide receivers that don't suck. Illinois has none of that. There is a reason that Illinois hasn't been able to score against a real defense the last two seasons.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 03:31 PM) Ha this is in the catch all thread, my comment was: Obi-Wan: I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened. I'm not bothered by this at all. Even if future movies are crap they won't ruin my enjoyment of the original trilogy and I actually really liked Episode III. Episode I has issues with Jar-Jar and the kid but that movie is fun otherwise. The only one in the series I don't really care for is Episode II. But the Star Wars expanded universe is awesome and if those can be brought to screen with good directors and creative teams I want to see them. And hell, Episodes VII-IX without Lucas could be awesome, give him some story input but leave the writing and directing to others.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 03:24 PM) This could be absolutely amazing with the write creative team in place with the amount of stories that can be brought to the big screen from the Star Wars universe. Obviously there is the possibility of oversaturation but Disney's acquisition of Marvel has gone well so far.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 11:16 PM) And Beckman has turned around a program before mostly with a dominating offense. Right now he has zero offensive difference makers, and no, Sheelhouse or whatever isn't one of those. Give him some time. The problem is that he isn't an offensive coach and the guy who ran that offense at Toledo is now Toledo's head coach. There isn't a coach in the world that could make Illinois' offense good so I give him a pass on that end. But the defense went from being a top 20 unit last year to a disaster this year. Mercilus was a stud and losing him hurts but that unit returned 7 starters and Williams is a better player than Trulon Henry so losing Henry hasn't really hurt. There is simply no excuse for the defense to be as bad as its been. The key now is holding on to what is a decent first recruiting class and hoping Aaron Bailey is the real deal. If he isn't Beckman won't last long at Illinois.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 12:01 AM) Ron Zook was the first coach in almost 20 years to take Illinois to back-to-back bowl games, but he wasn't good enough and now we get this. And f*** Oklahoma, now we have to deal with all this bulls*** for longer Are you really arguing Zook should have been retained? We finished 10th in the Big 10 last year, lost 6 straight games without being able to score and Zook recruited literally one player from 2010 through 2012 that looks like a high level Big 10 football player. Hell, Mason Monheim is the only freshman or sophomore in the program who looks like he is worth a damn. This team should be better and Beckman's coaching has been lousy but we were heading for the bottom again with the incredible lack of talent Zook was bringing in. Pocic is the only offensive linemen with any talent and he is pretty limited athletically, the RBs are ok but not game changers and really no different than what every other team has, the WRs other than Millines are absolute garbage (and Millines is always hurt) and the QBs are arguably the worst in the Big 10.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 11:52 PM) In my opinion it shows you how weak the AL was this year, that's why I wanted Sox to get in and play the Yankees so bad. IMHO. It shows nothing. The AL was better than the national league this year despite the fact that the Giants are likely going to win the world series. There are no dominant teams in baseball right now and when you have a short series anything is possible.

Also, wasn't a catch by Teo. The ball hit the ground and he didn't maintain control.

Notre Dame just got away with the most obvious pass interference ever on Teo's maybe interception.

So just saw a report that Lattimore broke his femur and tore all 4 ligaments in his knee. Just awful.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 04:34 PM) I should have been more specific, yeah, I meant on defense. Because obviously the last 6 games last year where we averaged 7 points a game didn't leave much to be expected. It's not quite as depressing to watch the offense struggle (though there have been some terrible play calls), but the defense makes no sense. Never thought we'd get absolutely blown out in some of these games. Bailey SOS. Beckman absolutely has to hold his recruiting class together or this program is heading back to the end of the Turner era/beginning of Zook era depths. Should be fun. I hope Ron Guenther burns in hell.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 04:28 PM) No, I know the recruiting classes were bad, and he doesn't have a lot to work with. But he's not doing a good job with the little we have, or showing signs of football intelligence, for lack of a better term. There was a lot of returning "talent" from last year's team. Zero reason they should be this bad, or this stupid. Also, you said it's going to be a dumpster fire soon? I'd say we're there now... Yes, Zook should have been gone after 2009, would have saved this before the fall go to ground level. I think Beckman is doing a terrible job but there is zero returning talent on offense. The offense was absolutely abysmal last year and the only two legitimate players from that team are in the NFL. I thought this team could get to 6-6 or 7-6 on the strength of the defense like last year but only a handful of the guys on the offense are legitimate Big 10 players. No excuse for the defense to be this bad.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 04:03 PM) Especially since no one could pass block. Snap it, have a guy immediately on you, run around, either chuck it or get caught for one of the 7 sacks. Repeat. Every pass play was a fire drill. I'd love to say we've reached rock bottom, but I don't know if that's the case. We just lost to Indiana. At home. On homecoming. After a bye week. To a team that has won 6 road games in 17 years and hasn't won since Nov 2010 in the BT. But let's keep hitting guys out of bounds and fumbling. Good times. Zook also recruited absolutely no talent in the 2010, 2011 and 2012 classes. Seriously go pull up the commitments from those classes and the only guy who is an a very good Big 10 player is Brown. The RBs from last years class are ok but they aren't difference makers and I've heard good things about Caldwell and Davis but they haven't shown anything on the field. It is obviously early with the 2012 class but all of the guys actually getting playing time form that class are guys Beckman brought in late. Zook's recruiting in that class was hilariously bad before he got fired. The program is going to be a dumpster fire soon. It really is too bad Zook wasn't fired in 2009 like he should have been.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 02:22 PM) Tim Beckman may be the worst hire in the Big Ten in 30 years....................2 weeks to prepare and still nothing new today FN horrid! I also loved that they were running the ball on Indiana easily all day but they consistently dropped back to throw on 2nd and shorts and either threw incompletions or lost yards and then when they get the ball back down 7 in the 4th quarter they drop back to throw three straight times? It takes work to do a worse job coaching on gameday than Zook but this staff manages to do it.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 10:36 AM) I had a dream the other night that Illinois won pretty easily. I actually think Indiana is the slightly better team, but that might be my bias. Doesn't really matter, since both teams are terrible. Well Illinois is clearly the more physically gifted team and is dominating the game except for their numerous expected stupid decisions and plays.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 21, 2012 -> 09:39 PM) I know Beckman has been nothing short of a disaster this season, but can anyone explain to me why it was so outrageous that he used dip on the sideline? Against NCAA rules.

So any chance the guy in my league with both Robert Griffin and Peyton Manning accepts a trade where he gets Rivers/Cutler (his choice), Donald Brown and Vic Ballard (both so he gets Indy's starter no matter what), and Maclin/Bowe (his choice). This is a 14 team league with little depth and he is currently starting Robert Meachem at flex and Ronnie Brown at RB2. So while Maclin and Bowe are not amazing they are huge upgrades for him and sadly the Brown/Ballard combo would also be a big upgrade. Would leave me with a team of Manning, Peterson, Leshoure, Welker, Megatron, Bowe/Maclin, and Heath Miller.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Oct 15, 2012 -> 12:04 PM) I still think the Bench will be awesome, but I said that it'll be awesome when D.Rose comes back. In Game 3, Deng and Rip didn't even play 1 minute. When D.Rose comes back, our bench will have 3 starting caliber players on it...Kirk/Deng/Taj with possibly a 4th being Nasty Naz. How is that not awesome? ONE OF DA BEST BENCHES IN DA LEAGUE BRO Ok, now you are just trolling. Nazr Mohammed as a starting caliber player? One of the dumbest things ever posted in this thread and that is saying something. Also, I would like to know who is starting for Deng that allows you to add him to the bench and why Hinrich wasn't good enough to start for a "terrible" Hawks team but is a starting caliber player.