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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 02:58 PM) So basically, they are getting Yrizarri for, uhh, free, I guess? They could have used the money but could not sign anyone above 300k or so. So they could sign a bunch of low profile guys but that doesn't really make sense as the the talent pool is not that large.

Why are you even discussing the panda thing? There is zero percent chance that that will happen.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) Definitely prefer Ockimey, Hernandez,and Lozada to Ball and Cosart and I think that would be the consensus. Ball does seem like a classic White Sox reclamation a la Humber. I don't really like the return. Longenhagen has neither of the 3 rated higher than 40 FV. For comparison low top 100 prospects are 50s (projected average regular) whole comp picks are usually like 45s. 45 means projected future utility and 40 basically replacement level bench guy. I would have preferred 1 45 prospect over 2 40s and a 35. That return is basically worse than a comp pick. Now of course frazier isn't a big chip anymore and he is a rental but the guys are not really prospects but more organizational depth guys. I would have preferred a comp pick but probably the risk of him taking it would have been to high so that return is better than nothing. But neither of the guys is a real prospect so I would not get too excited.

I say send Robertson and 10 m to Washington for carter kieboom. Not a top100 yet but he is a shortstop, was drafted in the first round 2 years ago and really raked so far. He will be a top100 soon and the Sox really need middle infield prospects as that is still a weak spot of the system.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) Mayo says burger, sheets, and skoug will all be top 100 on new list Sheets definitely not. Burger maybe but I don't think so. Usually only top10-15 overall picks are top100 right away, the guys below that have to prove themselves at least a season or so.

Yes probably clearly the number one system. The system is a little on the risky side (moncada, kopech, giolito, cease) and there is still a lack of middle infield and catching prospects (if collins turns out to be more of a DH rather than a catcher) but every system has its holes and the upside and number of top prospects is off the charts.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 06:08 AM) Between Rodgers and Jimenez, who would you take first? SS and catcher are so key. We obviously can't get Turner, Seager, Correa, Lindor, etc. And Dansby Swanson has been a disaster this year, just like Timmy Anderson. Same with Bregman. Well, disappointing, at the very least. Tatis, Jr., haha? Russell and Baez are the obvious names. To get Jimenez and one of those two, who else do you give the Cubs? Kahnle? Swarzak? Holland? MiGo? Shields, writing off almost all of his remaining salary? Obvious Maddon connection there. Seems impossible to also get Candelario too, biting off a bit much. Bregman is not hitting bad, he just isn't hitting that well for a 3b. His wRC+ is 104 which is quite good for a shortstop. Bregman came up as a shortstop but had to be moved because second and short are blocked.

I hope he doesn't rule it out. I understand there is a rivalry between sox and cubs fans and ut would hurt uf quintana is in a WS Parade but the cubs are not really a rival of the Sox (different league and division) and I could not care less if the cubs win 5 more championships if it means the sox win one. I'm not saying they should deal with the cubs but they should at least listen to offers and if the cubs make the best offer they should take it. Cubs really need a starter and I think they would be interested in quintana.

Advantage of hard throwers is the plan B. Most wild hard throwers never improve command enough to start in mlb but they still become relievers. With the soft tossers you usually have more of a 5th starter ceiling and more likely a 6th/spot starter or long man and often a AAAA innings eater. Best is a hard thrower with command but that is rare and we are talking about a top10 overall prospect.

In the NL the sellers are pretty clear but in the AL there are like 10 Teams competing for the playoffs, only the A's are clear sellers. That is good for the Sox, especially that the rays and royals are still in it and not selling.

Give the nats Robertson and Kahnle for robles (and a minor second piece).

A lot of talk is about position players and rightfully so but don't the white Sox also need another SP prospect? They have giolito, kopech and lopez but each of them has a risk because of the command. If one of them has to move to the pen who will become the rest of the rotation? They can certainly sign a free agent when it is time but I still think they need at least one more high level prospect because a lot of the other pitching prespects are relievers.

Good rebuild so far. They got a good return in both big trades, albeit some of the players are risky and complemented that with some supposedly low risk college players in the draft (collins, Rodon, burger). They still lack pieces though, especially up the middle (shortstop, Centerfielders, 2b if moncada has to move to of, catcher if collins has to move). Also another high level starting pitching prospect since giolito and kopech both come with some relief risk related to their command development (both could make it as starters but I would not be surprised if one became a reliever). Overall the rebuild started well but there are still holes in the system that have to be filled.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 09:10 AM) I honk this thread is ridiculous. As someone said, you're worried about the team's young shortstop, who didn't start playing baseball till he was 17/18 in the first year of a rebuild? Problem is that he is basically below average in all three important facets of hitting (contact, plate discipline and power). Not saying he cant fix that but that is a lot to fix. Still of course there are other things to worry about right now of course.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:58 PM) Okay, I know there is already a Q thread out there somewhere, but this one is fresh and up to date. So, let's say Q restores his value and has a couple more outstanding starts. Considering the moves the Sox have made, with a future 3B/DH in Davidson/Burger, SS in Anderson, 2B in Moncada, 1B in Abreu (He isn't going anywhere), Catcher in Collins and loads of pitching prospects, their infield is pretty well set for the future. You could even throw Yolmer and Leury in there. You got Robert in Center and Avi in right, plus if you want to put Engel as a starting outfielder you could, too early to tell with him. Don't know what we have with Tilson either. With all that said, who are YOU trading for in Q? You can never have enough pitching in my opinion, so I say another pitcher and an outfielder who can hit, at least, maybe a catcher as well. I still think you need infielders: -It is not clear if burger can stay at third -some scouts like moncada better in the OF - anderson can't hit Get middle infield prospects and maybe CF prospects. Those later can still move to corners but corner guys can't move up the middle. Also another SP prospect wouldn't be bad. They have pitching depth but giolito, Kopech and even Lopez all have some "reliever" risk to them. I think ideal would be a package of a SP prospect and a very good middle infield prospect.

I wrote this before a few times http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=102439 Anderson wasn't really better last year. A little more power but still high K, low BB and mediocre but not terrible power for a MIF. That doesn't really work, last year a huge babip covered up for this but now not anymore. There is still some hope as he is very raw and had a late start but that bat is extremely raw and might never get around. He still can be an OK shortstop but then he at least needs to improve his fielding.

I dont really think so. Of course those "swing change first basemen" out there are no bad pieces (like Alonso, bour, morrison) but they are all already or around 30 and really not much of an upgrade over abreu. Also the sox have a lot of corner types in their system already, the focus now should be on up the middle talent, which is something the Sox still severely lack in their system. Apart from moncada and Robert there are really no prospects that have the potential for elite defense and bat up the middle positions. Power and on base percentage is very important in the modern game but you now also need defense and athleticism as well as production up the middle.just a collection of big sluggers who can get on base a little is not enough anymore (see this year's Oakland A's who slug like crazy but lose all the time). You need power in these days but since everyone hits for power now it is not that much of a difference maker anymore as it was 5 years ago. 5 years ago you could punt defense and win with good on base sluggers but today small second basemen hit 20 bombs so that doesnt work anymore.The trend now is powerful teams that are also athletic and great in the field (like the Cubs last year). I don't think it is bad that Hahn got a few hopefully solid on base and power pieces with burger, collins and sheets as a foundation for the offense but now the Sox need up the middle position talent that can hit and field. Not everyone can have a machado, seager, correa, bryant or arenado but that is the type of player that dominates the game in 2017 and not guys like Giambi or so anymore like in 2000.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 07:45 AM) Rodon was the best college pitcher and considered close to the show. Lewis was not the best high school player, and was only selected 1-1 because he struck a deal. He came out ahead. Yes. He signed under slot for 1-1 but he was projected around 5-6th overall and he got more money than that.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 04:44 PM) There is a high chance that counseling helped this guy. I was a therapist in Missouri for teenagers who did this sort of thing. A little over 90% of teenagers who do this go on to live healthy lives and don't reoffend. The same can't be said about adults. A lot of this sort of thing happens because of doubts about their own sexuality and growing up without any boundaries. Of course there is a lot more to it but thats what was common between most of the kids that I worked with. Most kids I worked with felt great shame and showed a lot of motivation to deal with whatever issues they were going through. More often than not dealing with those issues allowed them to focus on healthy relationships and to honor their victims. Society will never separate child sex offender from adult sex offender even though countless studies suggest they should. Very sad. That is true but there are also people who think he doesn't deserve a second chance regardless of whether there is a chance of relapse or not. Legal punishment is not just to protect society but also for justice to the family of the victim. A murderer also doesn't get a second chance usually even if there is very little risk for a relapse.

I think that he has already played his last baseball game. Looks like no team will draft him and I don't think he can go back to college.

Btw im not sure why they drafted a first baseman in the second round. Sheets stats are not bad but the Sox already have collins as a potential 1b or DH and burger is not a lock to stay at third either. I know you go best player available but with burger probably not being that expensive wouldn't there be a higher upside overslot pick? I get hahns strategy, he is going away from toolsy outfielders to advanced college bats who have a high floor and usually positions work out themselves but if guys already start at the left of the defensive spectrum there is not much room to go. Still it proyally is worth a try, 11th and 40 something are not super high picks and if you want guys that definitely not flame out in A ball those were probably the guys to go.

The reports on his defense are not bad everyone occasionally boots a grounder that is nothing to worry about. The worries about his defense come more from his body type. I don't love the pick but I don't think he will be a bust. The swing is not pretty but he has proven that he can hit at the highest college level. I don't think he will be a 300 hitter but if he becomes a 35 hr guy that is ok. The swing reminds me of todd frazier an if he hits like a young todd frazier that is fine even as a DH.

Body and swing are not pretty but he gets the job done and he has a lot of power. I feel this is a couple of spots too high for him but then again 11 is not a save spot to pick a star and I think it is unlikely that he really busts. Worst case he is a tyler white (bad bodied first baseman)and best case he is a young todd frazier if he can improve his body some. That is not bad at all, prefer that to another toolsy of with flaws.

Ks are OK if you hit the ball exceptionally hard and if you take a ton of walks (like dunn). Kendall definitely has power but his college K rate point to mid 30s plus k rate in pro ball if not high 30s. The guys who make mid 30s work all have at least 70 power if not 80 (Sano, gallo). Even with 60 power (high 20s home runs in mlb) 35% definitely does not work long term. I think kendall has power but I'm not sure he has Sano kind of power (hitting 450+ foot homers all the time). Now I read he focused on baseball late so there might be room to improve but imo you only take him if you believe you can significantly improve his contact by making adjustments. Regarding bukauskas I don't see it. Most reports have him fall out of the top10 and probably to about 15 to 20.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 08:00 AM) I personally think he has disqualified himself, but don't make decisions for others. I just can't see why a team would even consider it, but if they do, that's their choice. OJ didn't make a comeback when he was acquitted. The NFL wife beaters had a rel hard time getting a job, and this is beyond that. NFL teams take guys off their draft board for nothing compared to this. To me this is something that won't fade away. You knock your wife around, unfortunately that fades away over time. This doesn't. Plus, I am one of those who thinks people who do this don't get rehabilitated. I realize a lot of these players, if not the majority aren't exactly choirboys. There are a lot of issues with a lot of people, not just baseball players. Everyone makes mistakes. People deserve extra chances. I get all that and I agree with it, however, a line has to be drawn somewhere. Drugs, drinking problems, gambling...to me, those are second chance things. Wifebeating, to me, you're done. And child molesting, no way you would play for my team. It pissed me off when the Sox traded for Brett Myers. You could go back to the thread and see. I love the White Sox, but if they were the team that gave this guy his "second chance", I think I would find some other thing to occupy my time in the summer. But mlb wife beaters had a pretty easy time getting a job again - chapman -jose Reyes -maybe addison Russell if this turns to be true I would not draft him either but somewhere later in the draft some gm might take the chance to get value cheap. Those gms have enormous pressure to find guys who can play and it takes only one to bite. Friedman for example has a history of taking guys with a bad and sometimes criminal background if he he cheap enough (for example Matt bush). But I definitely agree that it can be a big distraction and I would stay away if I could as a gm.