Neither are a guarantee. What you get with Q has been established minus the chance of an injury. So Hahn better get both.

This is true about them being prospects. I just dont see Quintanas value as that high.

This is true about them being prospects. I just dont see Quintanas value as that high.

 

He's as valuable as Sale. If Q can't fetch a comparable return to Sale he won't be moved. He's too valuable.

He's as valuable as Sale. If Q can't fetch a comparable return to Sale he won't be moved. He's too valuable.

Most people disagree. He doesn't have the stuff and talent of Sale so his perceived value is less. He's doing very well this year but overall for the long term Sale has more sustainable value.

Most people disagree. He doesn't have the stuff and talent of Sale so his perceived value is less. He's doing very well this year but overall for the long term Sale has more sustainable value.

Sale has more value but the gap is a lot smaller than a lot of people think.

Sale has more value but the gap is a lot smaller than a lot of people think.

Maybe. I was commenting on the fact that there is a difference in value of each pitcher.

Maybe. I was commenting on the fact that there is a difference in value of each pitcher.

 

There isn't because Q has an extra year of control. They are essentially of equal value. I am all for keeping our players if teams won't pay up.

Edited July 26, 20169 yr by soxforlife05

There isn't because Q has an extra year of control. They are essentially of equal value.

Still disagree. Two very different pitchers.

Still disagree. Two very different pitchers.

 

Cool then we'll keep Q and trade Sale. It really doesn't matter what you think because we don't have to trade them now. We have at least 2 years before we'd have to seriously consider trading them soon.

Edited July 26, 20169 yr by soxforlife05

Cool then we'll keep Q and trade Sale. It really doesn't matter what you think because we don't have to trade them now.

Ding ding ding.... Final round over. Judges score cards are and and the winner by unanimous decision is...

ptatc.

Ptact thinks Sale is better because he has more wins though. Hp could a 7-8 guy be anywhere near as good as a 14-3 guy, right?

Ptact thinks Sale is better because he has more wins though. Hp could a 7-8 guy be anywhere near as good as a 14-3 guy, right?

Or maybe he thinks Sale is better than Quintana because Sale IS better than Quintana. Q is a vey good pitcher, but let's face it, Sale is better and that's nothing to hold against Q. There aren't many pitchers better than Sale. I doubt you'd find one GM that would give the same package for Q that they would for Sale. There's a reason for that.

Ptact thinks Sale is better because he has more wins though. Hp could a 7-8 guy be anywhere near as good as a 14-3 guy, right?

 

I don't think he ever said it was because he has more wins. It is because Sale is a more dominant pitcher whereas Q is a lot more similar to Buerhle where the numbers are really good, but in general he is not considered an ace by the industry.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/7/26/1228...e-jose-quintana

 

This article seems to quantify Q value ($99 mill) vs. Sale value ($110 mill)

Edited July 26, 20169 yr by heirdog

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/7/26/1228...e-jose-quintana

 

This article seems to quantify Q value ($99 mill) vs. Sale value ($110 mill)

Man I love the idea of unloading Q for Alex Reyes ++ and then Sale for Julio Urias ++.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/7/26/1228...e-jose-quintana

 

This article seems to quantify Q value ($99 mill) vs. Sale value ($110 mill)

That's SURPLUS also -- which is pretty important to note.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/7/26/1228...e-jose-quintana

 

This article seems to quantify Q value ($99 mill) vs. Sale value ($110 mill)

Worth noting - that actually undersells Quintana since it only counts the next 3.5 seasons and he has an extra year remaining on his deal beyond that.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/7/26/1228...e-jose-quintana

 

This article seems to quantify Q value ($99 mill) vs. Sale value ($110 mill)

Best artIdle from a prospective trade partners fanbase / media I've seen. Thanks. Here's their conclusion for those who haven't read it:

 

In the end, I think Michael Wacha, Alex Reyes, Kolten Wong, and Harrison Bader is reasonable trade for either Chris Sale or Jose Quintana.

Ptact thinks Sale is better because he has more wins though. Hp could a 7-8 guy be anywhere near as good as a 14-3 guy, right?

i do not. i think he is better and more valuable due to his "stuff" and talent.

 

I do think wins are important in the overall scheme but not for individual trade value.

Really no reason to trade either unless the right deal comes along. As long as they're healthy, they'll each still have tons of value in the offseason or a year from now.

 

Unless a trade partner throws in some proven MLB talent, I'm not convinced anyone will be offering fair value for 3.5 years of Sale or 4.5 years of Q.

Or maybe he thinks Sale is better than Quintana because Sale IS better than Quintana. Q is a vey good pitcher, but let's face it, Sale is better and that's nothing to hold against Q. There aren't many pitchers better than Sale. I doubt you'd find one GM that would give the same package for Q that they would for Sale. There's a reason for that.

On this we do agree.

I would pass on that St.Louis deal in .000001 seconds.

Edited July 26, 20169 yr by Hatchetman

Dang it. I hate cardinals fans but that was the most reasoned response I've seen.

I would pass on that St.Louis deal in .000001 seconds.

Yup

These five for one deals where mediocre prospects are included reminds me of fantasy football where some idiot thinks appealing to take on his whole bench for the star RB

I would pass on that St.Louis deal in .000001 seconds.

 

This organization is in desperate need of a superstar hitter not more pitching and a 2B that was so bad he went to AAA earlier this year