Bob Sacamano Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 11:55 AM) I think they are definitely going for just by adding Desmond to an already powerful offense. With too many outfielders and a need for pitching, if they signed Wieters we could go after Rodgers/Dahl/Murphy for Q + (Jennings)? I'd be up for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 11:40 AM) Why hasn't a deal been announced this morning already? What the f***... not like anything is going on. I just want to get on with my life.. find a girl and a job and settle down.. maybe get a dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 09:58 AM) I just want to get on with my life.. find a girl and a job and settle down.. maybe get a dog For some reason that sounds like a movie quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Some reading material offering a different point of view. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/white-s...rts-CQ-RSS-Feed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 12:05 PM) For some reason that sounds like a movie quote Im working on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 12:08 PM) Some reading material offering a different point of view. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/white-s...rts-CQ-RSS-Feed That article showed quite a shallow understanding of everything going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 24, 2016 -> 11:24 PM) Completely hypothetical 3 way with Jays and Pirates: Jays get Cutch Pirates get Q, Reid-Foley Sox get Glasnow, Newman, Vlad Jr., & Tellez Seems steep for the blue jays, and light for the pirates to give up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) That article showed quite a shallow understanding of everything going on. I think it shows more understanding of what's going on. Look at the buzz that began after one tweet from Olney on the 21st that mentions the Pirates being interested in Q. That's not to say the Pirates aren't interested in Q or that Olney was wrong in his tweet, just that maybe we shouldnt put too much stock into what we read on the internet. Rumors are fun but they are rumors afterall. I also agree with waiting to deal Q until July IF Hahn is not getting his asking price now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 10:33 AM) That article showed quite a shallow understanding of everything going on. "Let's try and get hits not by perpetuating rumors but by talking smack about rumors." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 12:53 PM) I think it shows more understanding of what's going on. Look at the buzz that began after one tweet from Olney on the 21st that mentions the Pirates being interested in Q. That's not to say the Pirates aren't interested in Q or that Olney was wrong in his tweet, just that maybe we shouldnt put too much stock into what we read on the internet. Rumors are fun but they are rumors afterall. I also agree with waiting to deal Q until July IF Hahn is not getting his asking price now. I agree, although I do think it would be better for the Sox if Q is dealt now as opposed to later in the season. Not that I want them to force the issue and move him just to move him, but it puts the team in a better direction. I get the impression that it was leaked to get another team to move in on Q in fear of losing out on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Hahn cannot wait to trade Quintana. If they wait until the deadline they may not find a suitor and then you're trying to move him in a free agent market overloaded with very good starters. A year from now they won't get half of what would be considered a low return now. Either they deal him this offseason or they keep him for the next 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) Hahn cannot wait to trade Quintana. If they wait until the deadline they may not find a suitor and then you're trying to move him in a free agent market overloaded with very good starters. A year from now they won't get half of what would be considered a low return now. Either they deal him this offseason or they keep him for the next 4 years. Couldn't disagree more. It's all speculation dude. Half a year of Samdazjiezyeahhh got the top SS prospect in the game, the number four prospect in baseball at the time. No one knows what we could get now, or at the deadline, or next year, or in three years. Only thing that isn't speculative is this: if Quintana keeps pitching the way he has - he'll always be in demand and will always command a haul. Edited December 25, 2016 by hi8is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIRO2017 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Hahn cannot wait to trade Quintana. If they wait until the deadline they may not find a suitor and then you're trying to move him in a free agent market overloaded with very good starters. A year from now they won't get half of what would be considered a low return now. Either they deal him this offseason or they keep him for the next 4 years. This. The sox arent getting more value for Q than they will right now. Edited December 25, 2016 by BRIRO2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (BRIRO2017 @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 11:51 AM) This. The sox arent getting more value for Q than they will right now. English as a second language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIRO2017 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 English as a second language? Did I forget poop? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (BRIRO2017 @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 11:54 AM) Did I forget poop? Lol I is the cap of handi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) Couldn't disagree more. It's all speculation dude. Half a year of Samdazjiezyeahhh got the too SS prospect in the game, the number four prospect in baseball at the time. No one knows what we could get now, or at the deadline, or next year, or in three years. Only thing that isn't speculative is this: if Quintana keeps pitching the way he has - he'all always be in demand and will always command a haul. Sox could get a ton at the deadline or next offseason, but most likely he gets dealt fairly soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 01:53 PM) I think it shows more understanding of what's going on. Look at the buzz that began after one tweet from Olney on the 21st that mentions the Pirates being interested in Q. That's not to say the Pirates aren't interested in Q or that Olney was wrong in his tweet, just that maybe we shouldnt put too much stock into what we read on the internet. Rumors are fun but they are rumors afterall. I also agree with waiting to deal Q until July IF Hahn is not getting his asking price now. Will that entail a brand new thread next July, or a continuation of this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIRO2017 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I is the cap of handi. No clue what you're talking about. I don't think I can drop to that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) Couldn't disagree more. It's all speculation dude. Half a year of Samdazjiezyeahhh got the top SS prospect in the game, the number four prospect in baseball at the time. No one knows what we could get now, or at the deadline, or next year, or in three years. Only thing that isn't speculative is this: if Quintana keeps pitching the way he has - he'all always be in demand and will always command a haul. Except the free agent market is a little more saturated with pitchers next year plus the changes in team compensation probably decreases the chances he would get traded next offseason if he's still around. The Trade Deadline probably wouldnt happen either. Alot of these guys they are probably asking for will be playing. We've already seen how hesitant teams are to trade players that are contributing on the club in the middle of the season. So the previous post was correct. They need to trade him now if they actually want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 The Shelby Miller trade happened in the winter. As did the Kimbrel trade. Deadline isn't some magic wand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIRO2017 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Q isn't likely to get better. They need to trade him this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) Except the free agent market is a little more saturated with pitchers next year plus the changes in team compensation probably decreases the chances he would get traded next offseason if he's still around. The Trade Deadline probably wouldnt happen either. Alot of these guys they are probably asking for will be playing. We've already seen how hesitant teams are to trade players that are contributing on the club in the middle of the season. So the previous post was correct. They need to trade him now if they actually want to. Hahn will take his time in getting the right haul for their final blue chip trade piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) Hahn will take his time in getting the right haul for their final blue chip trade piece I doubt they'll get it once the season starts if he's still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 12:00 PM) Except the free agent market is a little more saturated with pitchers next year plus the changes in team compensation probably decreases the chances he would get traded next offseason if he's still around. The Trade Deadline probably wouldnt happen either. Alot of these guys they are probably asking for will be playing. We've already seen how hesitant teams are to trade players that are contributing on the club in the middle of the season. So the previous post was correct. They need to trade him now if they actually want to. Meh - I still don't agree. To each their own. Only thing that will hurt Hahn's hand in dealing Q IMO would be an injury or a regression of performance. There are always going to be new badass prospects to be had and a top of the rotation cost controlled starter will always be in demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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