Quin Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Fun fact: The Veteran's Committee is allowed to vote on Minoso the negro league player or Minoso the MLB player. Not both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 06:51 PM) Fun fact: The Veteran's Committee is allowed to vote on Minoso the negro league player or Minoso the MLB player. Not both. That's a travesty. Minoso had an incredible decade and is certainly HOF worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 11:39 AM) he is in the hall of very good, not the Hall of Fame  +1  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 06:51 PM) Fun fact: The Veteran's Committee is allowed to vote on Minoso the negro league player or Minoso the MLB player. Not both. Â that is so odd, and sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 09:27 AM) that is so odd, and sad. Â It has been a major roadblock for him. Similarly, playing in different decades caused him to have detractors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Absolutely Paulie should be in the Hall of Fame! The Chicago White Sox Hall of Fame! Â As for Buehrle...you have to factor in the 2005 Postseason as well. Won a game and saved a game in the same post season, which if I remember correctly, may not have been done before. Part of the 4 complete games in a row. Â Buehrle is a fringe HOF but I think he's one of those guys that needs to be seen beyond the statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) Absolutely Paulie should be in the Hall of Fame! The Chicago White Sox Hall of Fame! Â As for Buehrle...you have to factor in the 2005 Postseason as well. Won a game and saved a game in the same post season, which if I remember correctly, may not have been done before. Part of the 4 complete games in a row. Â Buehrle is a fringe HOF but I think he's one of those guys that needs to be seen beyond the statistics. Â Definitely becoming the norm lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Buehrle has a shot if the context of what a Hall of Fame starting pitcher changes within his own era. Â Obviously some guys were more talented than him, like Santana. But the consistency was rare among his peers. To be honest, he's a lot like Jack Morris, and we know how people feel about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) Paul Konerko was a very good player for a long time but in my opinion is simply not a Hall of Famer. I'd put Mark Buehrle in that same category.  The former White Sox players who deserve to be in the Hall and aren't are:  1. Billy Pierce. A DOMINANT pitcher for over a decade and along with Whitey Ford and Warren Spann the best left handed pitchers in baseball in the 1950's. 2. Minnie Minoso. A great outfielder both offensively and defensively. The Jackie Robinson of Latin players who unlike Jackie, also had the language barrier to overcome. 3. Tommy John 4. Jim Kaat 5. Dick Allen  The following are the stories that I wrote for the Chicago Baseball Museum going into the numbers and explaining why some of those I listed should be in:  http://www.chicagobaseballmuseum.org/files...ce-20141121.pdf  http://www.chicagobaseballmuseum.org/files...tt-20141203.pdf  Mark Edited January 20, 2017 by Lip Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Minoso is more deserving than Pierce, and it's not even close. Â I also think Kaat should get in, and Tommy John would have 300 wins without crappy Sox teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gooch Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) Absolutely Paulie should be in the Hall of Fame! The Chicago White Sox Hall of Fame! Â As for Buehrle...you have to factor in the 2005 Postseason as well. Won a game and saved a game in the same post season, which if I remember correctly, may not have been done before. Part of the 4 complete games in a row. Â Buehrle is a fringe HOF but I think he's one of those guys that needs to be seen beyond the statistics. Â He almost got the win and the save in WS if it weren't for a BS in game 2. Â I don't think I have ever seen anyone do more with less than MB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Two bad things about the 1959 White Sox: Â Billy Pierce had a down year by his standard. Â Minnie Minoso was on the Indians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (The Gooch @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) He almost got the win and the save in WS if it weren't for a BS in game 2. Â I don't think I have ever seen anyone do more with less than MB. Â I just looked at his stats. Had a season where he threw 245 1/3 (I never use the stupid .1 or .2) innings. Thats crazy haha Edited January 20, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 11:07 AM) Two bad things about the 1959 White Sox: Billy Pierce had a down year by his standard.  Minnie Minoso was on the Indians.  Billy had a hip injury that season which forced him to miss about a month if I remember correctly.  Mark  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 02:59 PM) Billy had a hip injury that season which forced him to miss about a month if I remember correctly. Mark  Meanwhile the Sox tried to reacquire Minnie, but the price was too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 02:59 PM) Billy had a hip injury that season which forced him to miss about a month if I remember correctly. Mark  Just for fun, I looked this up...  He pitched 16 (yes, 16!) innings on August 6th. Of course five days later, he gives up 5 runs in 4 innings. Then his next start, it looks like he left injured in the 3rd inning, then missed a few starts after that.  Now THAT'S abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 21, 2017 -> 10:04 AM) Just for fun, I looked this up... He pitched 16 (yes, 16!) innings on August 6th. Of course five days later, he gives up 5 runs in 4 innings. Then his next start, it looks like he left injured in the 3rd inning, then missed a few starts after that.  Now THAT'S abuse. How did you find it, and does it say how many pitches he threw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 21, 2017 -> 11:29 AM) How did you find it, and does it say how many pitches he threw? Â http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...p&year=1959 Â They didn't keep pitch counts back then, but I'm sure he was pushing 200 for a game that ended in a tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 21, 2017 -> 11:43 AM) http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...p&year=1959 They didn't keep pitch counts back then, but I'm sure he was pushing 200 for a game that ended in a tie. Thanks  He faced 61 batters. Makes me want to change my name here. Edited January 21, 2017 by Al Lopez's Ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I asked Bill specifically about that game and he said he kept getting guys out, kept going back to the dugout where Al would ask him how he was feeling and if he was OK. Bill said he felt fine and thought he could keep getting guys out...and he did. Â Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 More Minoso numbers: Â Most times on base 1951-1960 Â Richie Ashburn 2771 Minoso. 2572 Mantle. 2550 Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 08:07 PM) More Minoso numbers:Â Most times on base 1951-1960 Â Richie Ashburn 2771 Minoso. 2572 Mantle. 2550 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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