Eh, it is a common tactic of both sides of the aisle to take a thought with a basis in fact, but turn it into something completely false. I can't tell you how many things that are being attributed to EVERYONE WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP since the election.

On the flip side, I actually welcome the astroturf talk. Dems made the same mistake in '09/10 and look how that worked out. Encouraging their base to think we're paid protesters leads to complacency. I'm all for Republican complacency.

On the flip side, I actually welcome the astroturf talk. Dems made the same mistake in '09/10 and look how that worked out. Encouraging their base to think we're paid protesters leads to complacency. I'm all for Republican complacency.

 

So far I feel like it is doing the opposite. The anger directed at not only the Trump Presidency, but more so at his supporters, is really hardening a lot of people's positions into flat out paranoia. These are the people that fully believe there is a plot to steal the Presidency from Trump. While the anger has fired up the left, it has fired up the right too.

So far I feel like it is doing the opposite. The anger directed at not only the Trump Presidency, but more so at his supporters, is really hardening a lot of people's positions into flat out paranoia. These are the people that fully believe there is a plot to steal the Presidency from Trump. While the anger has fired up the left, it has fired up the right too.

touche, that's a good point. Though I'd argue it's pretty hard to compare how mobilized either side is compared to the other at this point. Something like the GA-6 election April 18th will give a good idea.

Not to encroach, but #tinytrump is the GOAT.

So far I feel like it is doing the opposite. The anger directed at not only the Trump Presidency, but more so at his supporters, is really hardening a lot of people's positions into flat out paranoia. These are the people that fully believe there is a plot to steal the Presidency from Trump. While the anger has fired up the left, it has fired up the right too.

It looks to me, looking at approval ratings and seeing how people behave, that it is wedging the GOP voters. A smallish percentage of the moderates are going away from Trump, but that base (which is the bigger group) is just hunkering down and getting more hardened to Trump. That doesn't bode well for Trump's future or the GOP in 2018, but it also doesn't bode well for the discourse in the next few years for all of us.

 

It looks to me, looking at approval ratings and seeing how people behave, that it is wedging the GOP voters. A smallish percentage of the moderates are going away from Trump, but that base (which is the bigger group) is just hunkering down and getting more hardened to Trump. That doesn't bode well for Trump's future or the GOP in 2018, but it also doesn't bode well for the discourse in the next few years for all of us.

I think there is a pretty large sense of buyer's remorse from the "anyone but Hillary" crowd that voted for this disaster. His base is always going to be his base as long as he is being led by white nationalists

I think there is a pretty large sense of buyer's remorse from the "anyone but Hillary" crowd that voted for this disaster. His base is always going to be his base as long as he is being led by white nationalists

on the flip side, the Bernie or Bust-ers are louder than ever at these rallies and protests... so who knows, there could be the same split on both sides, rendering the other moot.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/opinions/dhs...eyes/index.html

 

A nation of immigrants entering a dark chapter

 

 

 

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/tr...unexpected-turn

A week before Michael T. Flynn resigned as national security adviser, a sealed proposal was hand-delivered to his office, outlining a way for President Trump to lift sanctions against Russia.

 

Mr. Flynn is gone, having been caught lying about his own discussion of sanctions with the Russian ambassador. But the proposal, a peace plan for Ukraine and Russia, remains, along with those pushing it: Michael D. Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, who delivered the document; Felix H. Sater, a business associate who helped Mr. Trump scout deals in Russia; and a Ukrainian lawmaker trying to rise in a political opposition movement shaped in part by Mr. Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort.

The “Ukrainian lawmaker,” in this case, is Andrii Artemenko, who’s allied with Putin’s government.

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on the flip side, the Bernie or Bust-ers are louder than ever at these rallies and protests... so who knows, there could be the same split on both sides, rendering the other moot.

I dont get that impression. There is a common enemy here, which there really wasnt before.

"It's the Power That Does Something to Me"

Dispatches from the Saturday night Trump rally.

 

Soros was the bad kind of billionaire, not like the ones in Trump's cabinet, who "don't have to rob the money from us because they've got enough of their own."

 

Her friend, who refused to give her name, agreed. "There are many others besides George Soros but George Soros is the biggie," she said. "All the braindeads suck in the false news, because they don't have the ability to read and get the proper information." The friend had gotten a lot of the hidden details from The Creature from Jekyll Island, a Federal Reserve conspiracy book written by an HIV/AIDS denialist who believes he knows the location of Noah's ark and can cure cancer with a poisonous plant extract. When asked where else she gets her news, she replied, "Mostly radio."

 

Moses would vote for Trump again if the election was tomorrow. The first month had been an unqualified victory. "During Obama, for eight years, I suffered, was unemployed, dependent on my wife's income," he said. Trump got him a job. He is still unemployed now, but he just enrolled in Liberty University to study divinity. It's just a matter of time.

 

He stopped his furious pace and commenced yelling every reply, pointing angrily across the street at protesters who were going to "obstruct everything." "All those losers there better shut up or put up, 'cause I put up for the past eight years. That's what democracy's all about: You vote, and the person who wins, everybody supports him. Nobody protested Obama."

 

"[Trump] needs to drain the swamp of judges, too," he said. "I don't care what he does. I'm behind him 100 percent. Put it this way: If he became a dictator, and they said, 'We want him in forever,' he's my man. He's in. I'll never vote against him ... I love his power ... It's the power that does something to me."

 

 

What do you do when a good portion of the country has completely and willfully deluded themselves?

"It's the Power That Does Something to Me"

Dispatches from the Saturday night Trump rally.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you do when a good portion of the country has completely and willfully deluded themselves?

 

You breathe oxygen under a blue sky and repeatedly acknowledge those two things?

"It's the Power That Does Something to Me"

Dispatches from the Saturday night Trump rally.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you do when a good portion of the country has completely and willfully deluded themselves?

 

Yikes. That last quote is really scary.

 

Also, Jeb Lund is awesome.

That is the scariest, but the most "wtf?" was the guy who is saying that Trump "got him a job" even though he's still unemployed but decided to enroll in a fundamentalist university. What?

There was a guy at the rally that went on CNN and said he has a life sized cardboard cut out of Donald Trump and he salutes it everyday and prays to it or something.

 

It was funny and also terrifying at the same time.

There was a guy at the rally that went on CNN and said he has a life sized cardboard cut out of Donald Trump and he salutes it everyday and prays to it or something.

 

It was funny and also terrifying at the same time.

If you are scared of the fringe than you have bigger issues.

There was a guy at the rally that went on CNN and said he has a life sized cardboard cut out of Donald Trump and he salutes it everyday and prays to it or something.

 

It was funny and also terrifying at the same time.

It's guys like that that pose more of a threat to Americans than the Muslim's they are trying to wall off.

If you are scared of the fringe than you have bigger issues.

 

I'm glad to know that you are against the travel ban then.

If you are scared of the fringe than you have bigger issues.

 

Kinda like being scared that terrorists are hiding in the Syrian refugees waiting for the chance to come here and blow us up? That fringe?

I dont get that impression. There is a common enemy here, which there really wasnt before.

Dunno about Chicago. It's LOUD here in NYC. Most of the rallies have large contingents of socialists - but keep in mind we also had the Occupy movement, and this has brought them all back into the streets.

Edited February 23, 20179 yr by Reddy

https://qz.com/916382/chinese-president-xi-...ew-world-order/

 

Meanwhile, for the first time in anyone's life, another country is laying claim to lead the new world order (surely Trumpists say it's only a George Soros-fueled conspiracy theory, see below).

 

 

https://nworeport.me/2016/12/05/george-soro...ew-world-order/

 

https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/n...new-world-order

 

Melania and Ivanka's plastic feminism covers up Trump's misogyny

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/22/opinions/mel...nion/index.html

 

Edited February 23, 20179 yr by caulfield12

I'm surprised Merriam-Webster hasn't just added his face for their definition of liar.

 

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/paul...ia-trump-235275

Manafort faced blackmail attempt by Ukrainian lawmaker regarding dealings with Russia

 

 

Media/press much more well-trusted than Trump...

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/22/media/trum...piac/index.html

 

 

There is also a profound split between college-educated white voters and non-college-educated white voters, with the former trusting the media more (55% to 37%) and the latter trusting Trump more (also 55% to 37%).

 

While white voters are generally split on the trust question, preferring the media by 46% to 45%, nonwhite voters trust the media far more, with 68% expressing trust in the media versus just 18% expressing trust for Trump.

 

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It also suggests that Trump's attacks on the media -- he recently called them the "enemy of the American people" -- have drawn clear battle lines among the American public.

 

"The media, so demonized by the Trump administration, is actually a good deal more popular than President Trump," said Tim Malloy, the assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

Edited February 23, 20179 yr by caulfield12

Arent republicans more for state's rights? I dont get it. Why attack those with blanket decrees and laws?

Arent republicans more for state's rights? I dont get it. Why attack those with blanket decrees and laws?

 

It's pick and choose depending on the topic.

 

Spicer: DOJ will be "taking action" against states that have legalized recreational marijuana.

Obviously thats one I am referring to for sure. That should be left to the states, and frankly everyone should be happy about that tax revenue. Unless we are SOOOO concerned about people's health and in that case we should ban Bannon's best friend, alcohol.