http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/trade-d...es-twins-012617

Insane doesn't necessarily mean better. I think we have no choice but to hold onto a bunch of our guys for now, but the supply side of the equation could turn on us in a hurry. The Tigers, Royals, Rays, A's, & Pirates have potential pieces that could serve as quality alternatives to our trade chips if they decide to sell. The market could very well be flooded with sellers.

Edited January 26, 20179 yr by Chicago White Sox

And the Giants make 25 trades...

 

Q and Frazier stay to start the year. Methinks.

It's always going to be insane, then reality kicks in. This past winter meetings was going to be crazy with trades. The free agents suck, everyone is available. Yet, if the White Sox didn't show up with Sale and Eaton, the only purposes the meetings held were a job fair and a rule 5 draft.

 

I will believe it when I see it.

The Tigers were an interesting mention that article. It was a pretty strong rumor that they were looking to move anyone and everyone this off season, even Miguel and Verlander. They moved basically no one.

The Tigers were an interesting mention that article. It was a pretty strong rumor that they were looking to move anyone and everyone this off season, even Miguel and Verlander. They moved basically no one.

 

 

They wanted top prospects for those guys. Can't see that happening.

I think Detroit could get something nice back if they were willing to eat money.

The Tigers were an interesting mention that article. It was a pretty strong rumor that they were looking to move anyone and everyone this off season, even Miguel and Verlander. They moved basically no one.

 

Verlander is still owed a ton of money on his contract and the Tigers want top prospects for him while also trying to contend

 

 

Verlander is still owed a ton of money on his contract and the Tigers want top prospects for him while also trying to contend

 

Which goes a long way towards confirming the market that the Sox were trying to trade guys like Frazier, Cabrera, Robertson etc pretty much sucks, and it isn't some ridiculous conspiracy to try to win next year.

Which goes a long way towards confirming the market that the Sox were trying to trade guys like Frazier, Cabrera, Robertson etc pretty much sucks, and it isn't some ridiculous conspiracy to try to win next year.

 

Robertson's market should be better at the deadline assuming he pitches fairly well in 2017

 

Contending teams are always looking to add bullpen help for a stretch run. I don't think he brings back a Chapman or Miller type of return, but he could be one of the better relievers on the market.

Verlander is a Hall of Famer who may have suffered a little mid-career trough due to injury but just came roaring back with (IMO) the best year of any AL starter last season. If he were a free agent this offseason he would probably be getting a raise, and Detroit (rightly) believes they can win with him. Comparing his situation to the likes of David "7 run blown save" Robertson is silly.

Robertson's market should be better at the deadline assuming he pitches fairly well in 2017

 

Contending teams are always looking to add bullpen help for a stretch run. I don't think he brings back a Chapman or Miller type of return, but he could be one of the better relievers on the market.

That is one massive assumption for a pitcher who is very bad.

Verlander is a Hall of Famer who may have suffered a little mid-career trough due to injury but just came roaring back with (IMO) the best year of any AL starter last season. If he were a free agent this offseason he would probably be getting a raise, and Detroit (rightly) believes they can win with him. Comparing his situation to the likes of David "7 run blown save" Robertson is silly.

 

And yet no one was willing to give up anything of substance for Verlander either.

Robertson's market should be better at the deadline assuming he pitches fairly well in 2017

 

Contending teams are always looking to add bullpen help for a stretch run. I don't think he brings back a Chapman or Miller type of return, but he could be one of the better relievers on the market.

 

If he stays healthy, I think a bounce back is a pretty solid bet for him. He has a really nice history of being in the second tier of closers.

That is one massive assumption for a pitcher who is very bad.

 

I think it is reasonable for Robertson to cut his walks down in 2017 below 4.0 per 9 ip

 

Robertson could be one of the better relievers on the market. Every season bullpen help gets traded.

 

Have to have some faith, otherwise this rebuild will be dismal for you

That is one massive assumption for a pitcher who is very bad.

If you think he's very bad then no team is going to want him anyway, so there's little downside to holding on to him until the deadline to see if he improves even marginally. So what's the problem?

If you think he's very bad then no team is going to want him anyway, so there's little downside to holding on to him until the deadline to see if he improves even marginally. So what's the problem?

I think he could be given away right now thus avoiding his 2018 salary. That's the problem, I dont want to pay him to stink up that team with his losing.

Edited January 26, 20179 yr by Con te Giolito

Also you still haven't really explained why Robertson is so bad anyway. Yeah his walk rate was really high last year but according to Pitch F/X he actually threw more pitches in the zone in 2016 than he did in 2014 and 2015, where his walk rates were 3.22/9 and 1.85/9. Seems pretty clear he was hurt a lot by our s***ty framing catchers. He's not an elite closer, but he's still a decent reliever.

Ya, calling Robertson bad is just wrong.

I think it is reasonable for Robertson to cut his walks down in 2017 below 4.0 per 9 ip

 

Robertson could be one of the better relievers on the market. Every season bullpen help gets traded.

 

Have to have some faith, otherwise this rebuild will be dismal for you

There are players I have faith and there are players I dont. Robertson falls into the second category because he sucks.

There are players I have faith and there are players I dont. Robertson falls into the second category because he sucks.

 

Wasn't it confirmed that he pitch injured last year? He had surgery pretty much as soon as the season ended.

He caves under pressure and doesn't have the right makeup to be a closer. When he unravels he completely unravels and now that he's going to walk everyone in sight that means more innings will start off poorly for him which will lead to him becoming unglued more often. When he's on he's on, but the problem with those guys is consistency. Once his confidence in his stuff is even questioned he goes completely in the tank and he hasn't been elite in 5 years so its not like he's going to get it back.

 

What he did in Kansas City was the last nail in the coffin last season. I've honestly never seen anything like it and it soured me on him permanently.

Edited January 26, 20179 yr by Con te Giolito

There are players I have faith and there are players I dont. Robertson falls into the second category because he sucks.

 

Robertson and Cody Allen produced the same WAR in 2016 (Fangraphs)...does Allen suck too?

Edited January 26, 20179 yr by steveno89

Robertson and Cody Allen produced the same WAR in 2016...does Allen suck too?

How to Talk Baseball in 2017:

1) Pull up Fangraphs leaderboards

2) Regurgitate

 

Allen definitely isn't an elite closer, but he's also definitely better than Robertson and no WAR figure calibrated to evaluate starting pitchers will convince me otherwise.

Edited January 26, 20179 yr by Con te Giolito

Looking at the game log from last season, he had 4 games where he gave up more than one run. I see a command trend to this. Before the first game, he hadn't pitched in 5 days. The second time, a week. The third time, 12 days.

 

The fourth and final bad game came after he had pitched the day before though so that's an outlier I suppose.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...p&year=2016

 

Edit: if he doesn't pitch that one game against KC when it was a blowout, who knows what happens. Also, 16 of his 24 earned runs on the season came in 4 those outings.

Edited January 26, 20179 yr by soxfan2014