Quin Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 01:14 AM) And more recently JDINAA, then JQINAA. Probably CRINAA soon enough. Where's our goddamn Liriano? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:09 PM) It's from the good old days, Mark Buehrle Is Not An Ace. Thanks. I had never seen one before haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 08:44 PM) Not counting Jackie, except for Dodgers. A's: 5 Braves: 10 Cardinals: 12 (42 for Sutter) Cubs: 6 (31 twice) Dodgers: 10 Giants: 11 (two names honored as they played before numbers) Indians: 6 Orioles: 6 Phillies: 7 (two similar to Giants) Pirates: 9 Reds: 10 Red Sox: 10 Tigers: 6 Twins: 7 White Sox: 11 (counting Buehrle) Yankees: 20 (42 for Rivera, 8 twice, not counting Jeter) So the Sox are basically middle of the pack. You could make extremely strong arguments for Ozzie. As a player? Nah. But you can say "World Series Champion Manager" and everyone will understand retiring his number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 07:15 AM) As a player? Nah. But you can say "World Series Champion Manager" and everyone will understand retiring his number. Yeah, the Ozzie argument is manager + player longevity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I see zero argument for Ozzies number being retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I'll be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 01:22 PM) MBINAA We're old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonbluess Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 June 24th. Also Jean Baptiste Day in Quebec. Coincidence? I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 07:15 AM) As a player? Nah. But you can say "World Series Champion Manager" and everyone will understand retiring his number. Anyone who plays 13 years with the team gets automatic consideration. Add to that the ROY and the personality. I think he would get strong consideration as a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 05:39 AM) I see zero argument for Ozzies number being retired. I'm with you. Had he not totally flamed out and had a longer run as manager, I could have gotten behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) I'm with you. Had he not totally flamed out and had a longer run as manager, I could have gotten behind it. I also dont think he was that great of a player....On those teams, he was mid-tier IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Ozzie quit on the Sox for money. Let him buy his own goddamn jersey and retire it where the sun don't shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I was at the game in Milwaukee when Buehrle hit his only Major League homer. It was one of the coolest moments I've seen in person at a baseball game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 11:12 AM) I also dont think he was that great of a player....On those teams, he was mid-tier IMO. No but he was a good player for 13 years with one team so he deserves consideration. He didn't hit much but was a good SS for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 11:34 AM) No but he was a good player for 13 years with one team so he deserves consideration. He didn't hit much but was a good SS for years. But on those teams, was he a top 2 or 3 guy? Not really. He doesnt have the stats or really the contribution IMO to have his jersey retired. On top of that, the way he left was bulls***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 11:34 AM) No but he was a good player for 13 years with one team so he deserves consideration. He didn't hit much but was a good SS for years. He was really only good, never great for a few seasons. After the knee injury in '92 he lost his speed and range and was pretty useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) But on those teams, was he a top 2 or 3 guy? Not really. He doesnt have the stats or really the contribution IMO to have his jersey retired. On top of that, the way he left was bulls***. I agree with the part about leaving. Having a number retired by a team is more than just stats. He was a good player on the team for 13 years so I think it's a consideration. Having his contributions has a manager as well I think puts him over the top and he should have his number retired. However, I'm not sure if there is still too much bad blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) He was really only good, never great for a few seasons. After the knee injury in '92 he lost his speed and range and was pretty useless. I thought he actually came back better after the knee injury. He really worked at it and looked like a better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gooch Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Are people really dumb enough to think Sale should get his number retired here? He has been one of my favorite players with the Sox and probably the most gifted pitcher we have ever had. He has never even pitched a playoff game for us. And I know that isn't his fault, but he didn't help the cause in the clubhouse. He threw temper tantrums in the clubhouse and even cut up his jersey with scissors. He will also probably be very successful in Boston and win some playoff games and maybe even a title or two. And we should retire his number? It is a disgrace we are even talking about this in this thread. I always took White Sox fans to be more knowldgable that Cubs fans, but I guess not. Even MB getting his number retired this early (before he even officially has retired even though everyone knows he is) is a stretch. Let's not be ridiculous here. The next guy if there is one would be Ozzie I imagine and that would be for his contributions as a player and manager. No way he ever gets his number retired if he doesn't manage the WS team, but there is a good chance his number doesn't get retired at all either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Again, with Sale, let's wait to see how his career plays out. Maybe in three years the Sox are knocking on the door and throw money at Sale to round out an untraded Q, Rodon, Giolito/Lopez/Kopech/Fulmer/Hansen/Stephens/Whoever. We have no idea what the future will hold exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I feel like if they were going to retire Ozzie's number, it would have happened already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gooch Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 02:55 PM) Again, with Sale, let's wait to see how his career plays out. Maybe in three years the Sox are knocking on the door and throw money at Sale to round out an untraded Q, Rodon, Giolito/Lopez/Kopech/Fulmer/Hansen/Stephens/Whoever. We have no idea what the future will hold exactly. LOL no doubt, but there are a billions scenarios we could debate like this. I am more confused that it even came up at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gooch Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) I feel like if they were going to retire Ozzie's number, it would have happened already. I disagree just because of the way he left. That damage seems like it is being repaired now, but I imagine that is a big factor. I wouldn't be surprised if it never happens either, but if I had to bet, I'd put money on his # being retired in the next 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 02:55 PM) Again, with Sale, let's wait to see how his career plays out. Maybe in three years the Sox are knocking on the door and throw money at Sale to round out an untraded Q, Rodon, Giolito/Lopez/Kopech/Fulmer/Hansen/Stephens/Whoever. We have no idea what the future will hold exactly. Of all the possibilities, the Sox paying a 30 year old Sale 150+ million (assuming his arm doesn't fall off) is about the only one I would be my house doesn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 05:48 PM) Of all the possibilities, the Sox paying a 30 year old Sale 150+ million (assuming his arm doesn't fall off) is about the only one I would be my house doesn't happen. But would you bet Greg's house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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