Eh, I don't know. If you can land a White Sox version of Kris Bryant in the draft - that's going to be darn near impossible to top anywhere else, including from a Quintana trade. Of course, landing that type of player I understand is a longshot, both with getting that pick, and him actually working out to that degree.

 

In the Chris Sale deal we got a Kris Bryant potential level of player in Moncada, as well as Kopech and Basabe. If a draft were to occur today, all three would be first round picks based on their ceilings. Kopech would be a top 5 pick at lowest.

That is just it. I think we get MORE benefits from the team playing well and having assets to trade, than we do for moving up a few draft pick slots. Sure we get a better player up front, but I think potential packages for guys like Avi, Frazier, Melky, Robertson etc, would long outweigh the better draft pick position. We'd be getting multiple players back, who are closer to the majors, and more of a known quantity.

 

 

But both can happen, players can do well to increase their value at the deadline and we can still lose enough games to eventually wind up with a great draft position.

In the Chris Sale deal we got a Kris Bryant potential level of player in Moncada, as well as Kopech and Basabe. If a draft were to occur today, all three would be first round picks based on their ceilings. Kopech would be a top 5 pick at lowest.

 

Another way to look at it is. If the Sox had lost 2 or 3 more games in 2014, they draft Benintendi instead of Fulmer. Of course, you could then say that shows these guys can be had outside the top 2 or 3.....

 

Either way, I'm rooting for Quintana to have a Cy Young caliber year, while the team still manages to crack the top 3 or 4 of the draft. That's a hard sell on Quintana though. Losing at that high of rate would wear down most normal players.

In the Chris Sale deal we got a Kris Bryant potential level of player in Moncada, as well as Kopech and Basabe. If a draft were to occur today, all three would be first round picks based on their ceilings. Kopech would be a top 5 pick at lowest.

I hope you're right. I don't think any one of those guys has to be Kris Bryant good (No player has had a better first two seasons statistically) to bear out. If Moncada is 80% what Kris Bryant is and Kopech meets our expectation, we did great in the Sale trade.

Another way to look at it is. If the Sox had lost 2 or 3 more games in 2014, they draft Benintendi instead of Fulmer. Of course, you could then say that shows these guys can be had outside the top 2 or 3.....

 

Either way, I'm rooting for Quintana to have a Cy Young caliber year, while the team still manages to crack the top 3 or 4 of the draft. That's a hard sell on Quintana though. Losing at that high of rate would wear down most normal players.

 

The difference is that you get to upgrade one player, versus bringing in a whole package of players. For example if Q bombs this year, and directly contributes to our 2017 level of suck, maybe we can move up from say the #5 pick to the #1 pick. Or we could get a huge package of players for Q in addition to getting the #5 pick in the draft.

The difference is that you get to upgrade one player, versus bringing in a whole package of players. For example if Q bombs this year, and directly contributes to our 2017 level of suck, maybe we can move up from say the #5 pick to the #1 pick. Or we could get a huge package of players for Q in addition to getting the #5 pick in the draft.

I think the problem is we can't be sure that even without Q we're bad enough to get the #1 pick. I would much rather get more high level prospects in exchange for a lower draft slot.

I think the problem is we can't be sure that even without Q we're bad enough to get the #1 pick. I would much rather get more high level prospects in exchange for a lower draft slot.

 

I think we do much better in picking say 10th with 75 wins, but getting some decent value for the veterans versus winning 55/60 games, and getting nothing for guys like Frazier/Cabrera/Garcia/Robertson etc while getting the #1 pick. In the first scenario we are able to add many players to our farm system. It becomes deeper, richer and more diverse, versus adding a minimal amount in trades, but moving up the draft boards.

I think we do much better in picking say 10th with 75 wins, but getting some decent value for the veterans versus winning 55/60 games, and getting nothing for guys like Frazier/Cabrera/Garcia/Robertson etc while getting the #1 pick. In the first scenario we are able to add many players to our farm system. It becomes deeper, richer and more diverse, versus adding a minimal amount in trades, but moving up the draft boards.

 

Signing Luis Robert to me could take some pressure off needing a high pick, because I'd view him as basically a free top 5 pick in the draft.

 

And what I'm really getting at is - I think to be a perennial World Series contender, you need some stars. So often stars are picked right at the very top of the draft. And speaking of that 2015 draft, which was just a year and a half ago - wouldn't it be nice if we had any of Swanson, Bregman, Tucker or Benintendi? As nice a prospect as Carson Fulmer is, who wouldn't give their right arm to trade him for one of those 4 guys? I guess it's a difference of philosophy - quantity or quality? Or maybe a mix of the two.

I think we do much better in picking say 10th with 75 wins, but getting some decent value for the veterans versus winning 55/60 games, and getting nothing for guys like Frazier/Cabrera/Garcia/Robertson etc while getting the #1 pick. In the first scenario we are able to add many players to our farm system. It becomes deeper, richer and more diverse, versus adding a minimal amount in trades, but moving up the draft boards.

That's certainly true. I haven't thought much of it, but the White Sox might not be in the hypothetical "Bottom" of a rebuild. We talk about how we might only win 65 games this year, but the reality is if we maximize value of our current roster and move them, we might get a 10th-type pick. At that point, the minors might be really stacked, but the major league team might still not be very good the following year. Then we're talking about the bottom of a real rebuild where the draft pick could potentially be higher. If this is a multi-year rebuild, that is certainly possible.

Signing Luis Robert to me could take some pressure off needing a high pick, because I'd view him as basically a free top 5 pick in the draft.

 

And what I'm really getting at is - I think to be a perennial World Series contender, you need some stars. So often stars are picked right at the very top of the draft. And speaking of that 2015 draft, which was just a year and a half ago - wouldn't it be nice if we had any of Swanson, Bregman, Tucker or Benintendi? As nice a prospect as Carson Fulmer is, who wouldn't give their right arm to trade him for one of those 4 guys? I guess it's a difference of philosophy - quantity or quality? Or maybe a mix of the two.

 

We could get guys like that PLUS a guy like Carson Fulmer if we have assets worth trading.

In the Chris Sale deal we got a Kris Bryant potential level of player in Moncada, as well as Kopech and Basabe. If a draft were to occur today, all three would be first round picks based on their ceilings. Kopech would be a top 5 pick at lowest.

 

Moncada and Kopech would go #1 and #2 overall in the 2017 mlb draft without question

 

 

We already have Jameson so why not a Beer?

 

If only the Sox could snag Pint from the Rockies somehow...

We already have Jameson so why not a Beer?

 

If only the Sox could snag Pint from the Rockies somehow...

 

You win.

 

I was going to say this is thread from 2013 about trading Viciedo for a case of beer, but you win.

You win.

 

I was going to say this is thread from 2013 about trading Viciedo for a case of beer, but you win.

Ha ha, Viciedo for a case of beer does ring a bell.

 

Lol, can you imagine the comments made by drinkers in reference to Beer, Jameson and Pint? It would be nuts if all three were in the Sox farm system. Has all the makings of a great train wreck.

That is just it. I think we get MORE benefits from the team playing well and having assets to trade, than we do for moving up a few draft pick slots. Sure we get a better player up front, but I think potential packages for guys like Avi, Frazier, Melky, Robertson etc, would long outweigh the better draft pick position. We'd be getting multiple players back, who are closer to the majors, and more of a known quantity.

 

 

Mmmhmmm. Etc is the key.

 

Been saying it for weeks. Hoping for this team to be god awful is just silly, IMO.

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I'm late to this party, but I want to be on the Tank for Beer party train. Can someone link me to a scouting report and tell me why he will go number one in the draft?

I'm late to this party, but I want to be on the Tank for Beer party train. Can someone link me to a scouting report and tell me why he will go number one in the draft?

 

He won't go #1

Mmmhmmm. Etc is the key.

 

Been saying it for weeks. Hoping for this team to be god awful is just silly, IMO.

That's true as well. I'm unhappy with today's game because Anderson looked lost at the plate.

He won't go #1

 

Not even close, he could be dropping big time.

Can you change the text to "Cheer For Beer" for me? I love it otherwise and will rock it.

Can you change the text to "Cheer For Beer" for me? I love it otherwise and will rock it.

I didn't save the PSD but can probably just hack the flat file for that request. I'll hit you with it tomorrow.

I didn't save the PSD but can probably just hack the flat file for that request. I'll hit you with it tomorrow.

 

Broooo, that's Photoshop 101! Tiny files, might as well!

Broooo, that's Photoshop 101! Tiny files, might as well!

If you knew of all the s*** going on in my life - you'd understand just how insignificant PSD files of Seth Beer banners are right now :

Instead of #BeerRun, how about my favorite #Tankathon #TankWin #TankLoss?

Not even close, he could be dropping big time.

 

It looks like the strength of that draft will be prep bats and college arms