O'Neill, the #29 prospect in baseball, has been traded to St. Louis for LHP Marco Gonzales per the Mariners Twitter account.

If this is all it took for such a prospect, we could've given them David Holmberg or Swarzak or something. An unbelievably lopsided trade.

What the bulls*** is this? this is unbelievable.

I don't love O'Neil, but this is odd.

Gonzales was as high as a top 50 prospect a couple years back, and has been very good in AAA this year, but this seems strange.

If this is all it took for such a prospect, we could've given them David Holmberg or Swarzak or something. An unbelievably lopsided trade.

Yeah, Holmberg might be a reasonable comparison.

Cards fans online are speculating that they may be looking to flip O'Neill, however

i mean... oneil isnt the coolest thing on the planet but hes a legit prospect... we couldnt give gonzo + swarzek + whatever for that? marco gonzalez is a 4/5 sp at best... this screams seattle not talking to others about this and settling for the first thing that came their way

Holmberg + Swarzak for Clint Frazier.

Ok, I stand a touch corrected. Gonzales has been good since his injury and this seems like a decent trade. From SEA prospective, they are getting a former first round pick who after his injury is doing really well. From ST Louis they get a top prospect or a trade chip.

 

 

Totally feels like a flip is coming. They've got Bader and like 5 former top prospects plus Fowler already in that OF. Could just be a buy-low on O'Neill taking advantage of the Mariners desperation, but I don't see them sitting on all those guys.

 

Guessing a cost-controlled bat because the starting staff is loaded.

 

 

After reading Longenhagen's writeup on O'Neill this doesn't seem as bad, I don't think anyone else but MLB.com considers him anything close to a top 30 prospect, and I think with this trade it's clear the Mariners don't either.

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Could also see someone like Grichuk or Piscotty get moved in a change of scenery type of move. Both have struggled.

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Totally feels like a flip is coming. They've got Bader and like 5 former top prospects plus Fowler already in that OF. Could just be a buy-low on O'Neill taking advantage of the Mariners desperation, but I don't see them sitting on all those guys.

 

Guessing a cost-controlled bat because the starting staff is loaded.

But regardless of how much the Mariners may have soured on O'Neill, it's still puzzling that they couldn't have gotten a better return, especially from us.

O'Neil isn't even on BA's updated top 100.

 

Though I do like this trade for the Cards.

But regardless of how much the Mariners may have soured on O'Neill, it's still puzzling that they couldn't have gotten a better return, especially from us.

 

Definitely agree on that. Though people are probably a bit too low on Gonzalez.

 

Either way, feels unnecessary for the Cards unless they're making another move. 40 man crunch will be a big problem otherwise.

What's the reason Seattle would have soured on Tyler? His numbers seem decent enough every stop.

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What's the reason Seattle would have soured on Tyler? His numbers seem decent enough every stop.

 

This is the million dollar question--sometimes there is a lot more to the story that moves a team to trade someone in what seems to be a lopsided deal. Sometimes personal reasons come in to play--sometimes it's a maturity thing, wants to be closer to home--misses mommy--there's a world of human element that factors into a players' future with the team that gets blocked by the numbers.

Tyler had a 27% K-rate in AAA and averaged higher for most of his minor league career. My trading philosophy on prospects with high K-rates is get what you can when you can get it, there's a overwhelmingly high chance this kid will never be a productive major league hitter.

After reading Longenhagen's writeup on O'Neill this doesn't seem as bad, I don't think anyone else but MLB.com considers him anything close to a top 30 prospect, and I think with this trade it's clear the Mariners don't either.

Plus pitching, especially LHP is always more valuable then hitting. One for one it's not a bad trade. O'neill's stats really don't bear any superstar potential.

Tyler had a 27% K-rate in AAA and averaged higher for most of his minor league career. My trading philosophy on prospects with high K-rates is get what you can when you can get it, there's a overwhelmingly high chance this kid will never be a productive major league hitter.

How do you feel about Moncada then ?