Kyyle23 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Palestinian leaders have said that Trump and the US have withdrawn from the peace process and have recalled all of their diplomats in Washington DC. So this is going well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Kushner's plan is really out of the box thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 What was the deal with Trumps speech? I think his fake teeth may have been falling out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Kushner bets he can have it both ways on Jerusalem move The presidential son-in-law, whose influence has waned since John Kelly arrived, believes recognizing the Israeli capital won’t threaten his peace deal. From Kushner’s perspective, according to people familiar with his thinking, the hope was that the announcement would fulfill a long-standing promise but do little damage to the relationships he has forged with players in the Middle East, like the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammad bin Salman, widely referred to as “MBS.” “I think [Trump] and Jared figure that after all the posturing and a few days of riots, things go back to normal when it comes to the negotiations,” said a person close to the administration. Failson real estate developers with no idea what they're doing igniting a powder keg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 03:56 PM) That was bizarre. It was like the entire front row of his bottom set “came undone” That was definitely a denture issue lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 04:48 PM) That was definitely a denture issue lmao yep, I dont think it was public knowledge that he doesnt have teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 They're great dentures. Greatest chompers in the world. Could chew a tin can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 8 countries, including France and the UK, our closest allies, are calling for a UN security council meeting https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/...src=twsrc%5Etfw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/938...9845093376?s=17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 At first I thought the common thought of "well crap, people are gonna get pissed over there, there goes a chance at peace." There will never be peace. There will always be pissed off Palestinians pissed off about Israel's existence, and rightfully so. So maybe this move is a good thing. It does SOMETHING. It says "This site is not holy to you, we're taking it. So let's not fight over Jerusalem anymore." Letting everyone have their holy lands is a good place to start. And f*** the UN and their meeting and thinking another 100 years of nothing would do something. We'll see how this plays out. There will be initial rioting and unrest and hopefully not many people get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) What "good deals" has Trump actually negotiated so far? For someone who argued that his business background was one of his key advantages as a candidate, there's almost no evidence to support this. No bilateral trade agreements, for example. TPP up in smoke. NAFTA? Mexico and Canada aren't giving in to US demands. North Korea? Iran? ISIS? Syria/Russia/Assad? Lowering prescription drug costs or getting insurance companies to take a lesser profit? Now we're almost deliberately setting the entire Middle East on fire...along with our travel ban being enforced, finally. And you can guarantee Trump won't take responsibility for a single death that this policy reversal is going to bring about. Edited December 7, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 10:23 PM) At first I thought the common thought of "well crap, people are gonna get pissed over there, there goes a chance at peace." There will never be peace. There will always be pissed off Palestinians pissed off about Israel's existence, and rightfully so. So maybe this move is a good thing. It does SOMETHING. It says "This site is not holy to you, we're taking it. So let's not fight over Jerusalem anymore." Letting everyone have their holy lands is a good place to start. And f*** the UN and their meeting and thinking another 100 years of nothing would do something. We'll see how this plays out. There will be initial rioting and unrest and hopefully not many people get hurt. Where the old temple was is considered the 3rd holiest site in the Muslim religion. So it's simply inaccurate to say it's not holy to them. But it would be fair to say it's much more holy to Jewish people. Edited December 7, 2017 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 12:04 AM) Where the old temple was is considered the 3rd holiest site in the Muslim religion. So it's simply inaccurate to say it's not holy to them. But it would be fair to say it's much more holy to Jewish people. Which of course, the UN ruled it not a holy site for Jews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Looks like we are temporarily pulling some of our developers out of Tel Aviv for the next month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) The Senate voted 90-0 in favor back in the summer. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/05/i...em-trump-239157 If this would cause so much upheaval, why would this unanimously be voted on by the Senate? Genuinely curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) If this would cause so much upheaval, why would this unanimously be voted on by the Senate? Genuinely curious. Political games. They can home to their base and say "We did it!" and then pass the buck onto the President to sign the waiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) If this would cause so much upheaval, why would this unanimously be voted on by the Senate? Genuinely curious. Because the waiver keeps getting exercised over and over and you dont want to be the one senator who "loves muslims" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 02:32 PM) Full disclosure: I know next to nothing about this situation. But Israel owning most of Congress probably has something to do with it. You got this way backwards. Evangelicals, Sheldon Aldeson etc have way more influence than Israel. Sheldon Adelson allegedly spent about $200 million to support Republican candidates. One of his biggest issues is Israel. Rich people drive policy, not countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Side note: If I were an ambassador I'd muuuuch rather be in Tell Aviv than Jerusalem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 03:53 PM) Because Sheldon Adelson is the reason 90 senators voted one way. It seems you have things backwards. Actually I listed multiple reasons. How can Israel "own" congress? (edit) To go back to the multiple reasons. There are very different reasons why people support Israel in congress. Some support it due to their Evangelical base, some support it because they receive large donations, some support it because it is personal to them. Or as Rock pointed out, nobody wants to run as the candidate who supports "terrorists." Edited December 7, 2017 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) Evangelicals really, really want Israel to control Jerusalem as well, though. e: like way more than US Jews, something like 85% of Evangelicals and 40% of US Jews wanted the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capitol. Edited December 7, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 04:43 PM) The Israeli lobby has a significant effect on American foreign policy. I thought that was common knowledge. What specific lobby are you talking about. There is no lobby that is supported by the state of "Israel", there are different lobbies that support Israel that receive donations from Americans. Are you talking AIPAC, Christians United for Israel, or IAC? One of IAC's biggest supporters is Adelson. Which is why I brought up Adelson, because IAC has been pretty active with Trump/Haley and other people who were at the forefront of this decision. And it seems to be a change of policy from when AIPAC was the main donor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 The Kochs, Mercers and Adelsons all pull in different directions. Fwiw, this was passed all the way back in 1995, when Bill Clinton was president. It's just that they haven't thought it was beneficial to the peace process to go forward with the actual physical move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 06:09 PM) The Kochs, Mercers and Adelsons all pull in different directions. Fwiw, this was passed all the way back in 1995, when Bill Clinton was president. It's just that they haven't thought it was beneficial to the peace process to go forward with the actual physical move. Im not sure the Mercers or Kochs are involved in these pacs. There isnt a good way to see donor lists, but I seriously doubt Koch brothers are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 07:45 PM) "The boundaries of the Israel lobby cannot be identified precisely." Why do you write coded messages instead of owning the theories of Mearsheimer and Walt. I figured you knew I remembered your previous Rothschild posts, and you could have realized the implication of my Koch brother comment as they invited the authors to speak. In my opinion they already had a conclusion and used selective facts to support it. So put me in the Chomsky and Joseph Massad critique side, as compared to the David Duke support. Not the first time you've dabbled in peddling theories that some may consider anti-Semitic. Edited December 8, 2017 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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