It would be a gamble for them, but it’s one year of Machado, not 3 or 4.

 

The Sox have a nice wealth of arms, and shoulders are tricky. I said Rodon and Fulmer for Machado and a prospect. Maybe add Adams too, and make a deal. It’s a good gamble for both teams.

 

Right but I was alluding to what ss2k5 said, the orioles have declined deals for healthy players that "failed their medicals", I just can't see them approving a player that is known injured.

The Orioles are the worst team in MLB for nixing trades at the ownership level for extremely petty reasons, yet Carlos Rodon would be the primary target? Yeah, that doesn't add up.

 

That's an excellent point actually. They always nix trades at the physical part.

I just don't get what the positives for getting Manny for a season is. You run the risk of really hurting the talent level on the team in two seasons if you don't extend him while giving up a few starting pitchers

If you do the deal and don't re-sign Manny, you've really hindered the rebuild. And depending on who you would lose in the trade, you might have just killed the rebuild. Not worth the risk especially when he seems intent upon reaching free agency where the Sox can woo him and gush about the culture, etc.

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I just don't get what the positives for getting Manny for a season is. You run the risk of really hurting the talent level on the team in two seasons if you don't extend him while giving up a few starting pitchers

 

We all have to take a deep breath and realize that Hahn is not going to allow the Sox to get fleeced just to have Machado for one season. There's more going on here than we can currently see in rumors.

We all have to take a deep breath and realize that Hahn is not going to allow the Sox to get fleeced just to have Machado for one season. There's more going on here than we can currently see in rumors.

 

They have to already know JR would sign off on a huge extension for this to be possible. I'm talking like 10 year/$300-$330 mill with a few opt-outs. But at this point, I would think he would wait until free agency.

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If you do the deal and don't re-sign Manny, you've really hindered the rebuild. And depending on who you would lose in the trade, you might have just killed the rebuild. Not worth the risk especially when he seems intent upon reaching free agency where the Sox can woo him and gush about the culture, etc.

 

And say that you trade Giolito and Dunning and Rodon continues to be injury-plagued. You're suddenly lacking starting pitching depth.

They have to already know JR would sign off on a huge extension for this to be possible. I'm talking like 10 year/$300-$330 mill with a few opt-outs. But at this point, I would think he would wait until free agency.

 

I do have to imagine this has been talked about.

They have to already know JR would sign off on a huge extension for this to be possible. I'm talking like 10 year/$300-$330 mill with a few opt-outs. But at this point, I would think he would wait until free agency.

 

Then you don't deal for him and wait for free agency

Could it just be that Hahn & Co. are floating this out there to show their interest to Manny & Co.? To say, look we wanted you all along and were willing to trade all of these assets? Again, in the end money wins. I don't see a situation where Manny falls in love with 17,000 fans at The Rate and signs an extension in season.

 

 

Thought about starting a new topic on this - but if Hahn is really willing to send prospects to get Machado to help increase the chances of signing him next year wouldn't it make more sense to try a similar tactic and use those same prospects to land Yelich?

 

I'd think a team with Yelich next year and beyond + Robert + Jimenez + Moncada + Abreu, etc. would be more enticing towards Machado than playing one year here on a 79 win team.

 

I'd send over almost the same package as we got from the Nats - say you send over Lopez, Rutherford and Cease + _______ (probably light) for Yelich. Then next year you sign Machado. You have your rotation pieces still there...

 

Rodon, Kopech, Giolito, Hansen, etc.

 

Your lineup is probably Yelich, Moncada, Machado, Abreu, Jimenez, Garcia, Castillo, Anderson.

 

 

 

Right but I was alluding to what ss2k5 said, the orioles have declined deals for healthy players that "failed their medicals", I just can't see them approving a player that is known injured.

 

The difference is they already know what they’d be getting into and the risks. This is out in the open and part of the risk.

Then you don't deal for him and wait for free agency

 

Yeah which I'm fine with but then you have to compete with other teams. And I'm sure plenty would be interested.

 

We all have to take a deep breath and realize that Hahn is not going to allow the Sox to get fleeced just to have Machado for one season. There's more going on here than we can currently see in rumors.

Is Castillo really Machado's best friend? I do know Ozzie and his sons do know Machado from Miami. So they could have a little more info about his intentions. But this is a guy who is going to get paid at least top 4 of all time. Money talks.

 

Why would he go this far and not test the open market?

Rodon and Anderson for Machado sounds good to me.

Is Castillo really Machado's best friend? I do know Ozzie and his sons do know Machado from Miami. So they could have a little more info about his intentions. But this is a guy who is going to get paid at least top 4 of all time. Money talks.

 

Why would he go this far and not test the open market?

 

They played with each other for a year. I would think Machado has plenty of friends in the game.

Yeah which I'm fine with but then you have to compete with other teams. And I'm sure plenty would be interested.

 

Same as if he is here for a season with a non-contending club. There are also some rumors that he could be on the Yankees radar next offseason.

Is Castillo really Machado's best friend? I do know Ozzie and his sons do know Machado from Miami. So they could have a little more info about his intentions. But this is a guy who is going to get paid at least top 4 of all time. Money talks.

 

Why would he go this far and not test the open market?

^^

Rodon and Anderson for Machado sounds good to me.

Baltimore taking Rodon isn't going to happen.

Same as if he is here for a season with a non-contending club. There are also some rumors that he could be on the Yankees radar next offseason.

 

Minus the idea that you could overpay him and have exclusive negotiations for 7+ months.

Rodon and Anderson for Machado sounds good to me.

 

That would be selling as low as possible on those guys

Minus the idea that you could overpay him and have exclusive negotiations for 7+ months.

 

Why would he sign during that time? Besides yanks, Phillies have an insane amount of money they could offer.

He’s been pretty spot on about things. So yah I do. Things can change quickly at the meetings.

 

Except in this case the only thing that has changed has been his stance. The rumors were there before he denied them

https://mobile.twitter.com/scottmerkin/stat...329771035807744

Why would he sign during that time? Besides yanks, Phillies have an insane amount of money they could offer.

 

I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/scottmerkin/stat...329771035807744

 

someone translate for me please

https://mobile.twitter.com/scottmerkin/stat...329771035807744

So either this is mostly BS or they have guys like Avi and Abreu included in their package.