February 2, 20188 yr Here is the review of system from Keith Law. Really good stuff. He has White Sox as 4th best system. Apparently he doesn't hate them anymore. http://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id...ntral-prospects He has it like this: 1. Eloy Jimenez 2. Michael Kopech 3. Luis Robert 4. Alec Hansen 5. Dylan Cease 6. Dane Dunning 7. Jake Burger 8. Blake Rutherford 9. Micker Adolfo 10. Zack Collins 11. Gavin Sheets 12. Spencer Adams 13. Carson Fulmer 14. Ian Clarkin 15. Luis Alexander Basabe 16. Luis Gonzalez 17. Zack Burdi 18. AJ Puckett Some notes: Expects more growth from Dylan Cease, sees Dunning as future mid-rotation starter, Burger is bat-first with position questions but should hit enough regardless, Rutherford the Sox bough low but he needs to hit the ball in the air more, Adolfo was a positive review. Plus-plus arm and plus pull power. RF profile. He doesn't believe Collins can catch, Sees Sheets as having the floor of a platoon 1B and believes in the power, Adams is a strike thrower that could be a back end starter, Thinks Fulmer is a reliever but a good one, blamed many of Basabe's struggles on the knee injury, and sees Puckett as a #5 starter.
February 2, 20188 yr Is there a reason for 18? Does he go for FV like all 45 value and above prospects? Happy to hear positive stuff on Micker. Last year at least with Longenhagen, people kept asking and the response was "he hasn't really changed anything in his swing to get excited about", but over the winter things have changed. That means to me: - industry scouts are higher on him. - He looked good in whatever instructionals or winter league he was in. I'm excited for Basabe this year.
February 2, 20188 yr QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 10:02 AM) Here is the review of system from Keith Law. Really good stuff. He has White Sox as 4th best system. Apparently he doesn't hate them anymore. http://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id...ntral-prospects He has it like this: 1. Eloy Jimenez 2. Michael Kopech 3. Luis Robert 4. Alec Hansen 5. Dylan Cease 6. Dane Dunning 7. Jake Burger 8. Blake Rutherford 9. Micker Adolfo 10. Zack Collins 11. Gavin Sheets 12. Spencer Adams 13. Carson Fulmer 14. Ian Clarkin 15. Luis Alexander Basabe 16. Luis Gonzalez 17. Zack Burdi 18. AJ Puckett Some notes: Expects more growth from Dylan Cease, sees Dunning as future mid-rotation starter, Burger is bat-first with position questions but should hit enough regardless, Rutherford the Sox bough low but he needs to hit the ball in the air more, Adolfo was a positive review. Plus-plus arm and plus pull power. RF profile. He doesn't believe Collins can catch, Sees Sheets as having the floor of a platoon 1B and believes in the power, Adams is a strike thrower that could be a back end starter, Thinks Fulmer is a reliever but a good one, blamed many of Basabe's struggles on the knee injury, and sees Puckett as a #5 starter. Really positive stuff there
February 2, 20188 yr I wonder how high Collins would be if he believed he can catch. If Collins can stay at catcher he has tremendous value.
February 2, 20188 yr QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 10:02 AM) Here is the review of system from Keith Law. Really good stuff. He has White Sox as 4th best system. Apparently he doesn't hate them anymore. http://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id...ntral-prospects He has it like this: 1. Eloy Jimenez 2. Michael Kopech 3. Luis Robert 4. Alec Hansen 5. Dylan Cease 6. Dane Dunning 7. Jake Burger 8. Blake Rutherford 9. Micker Adolfo 10. Zack Collins 11. Gavin Sheets 12. Spencer Adams 13. Carson Fulmer 14. Ian Clarkin 15. Luis Alexander Basabe 16. Luis Gonzalez 17. Zack Burdi 18. AJ Puckett Some notes: Expects more growth from Dylan Cease, sees Dunning as future mid-rotation starter, Burger is bat-first with position questions but should hit enough regardless, Rutherford the Sox bough low but he needs to hit the ball in the air more, Adolfo was a positive review. Plus-plus arm and plus pull power. RF profile. He doesn't believe Collins can catch, Sees Sheets as having the floor of a platoon 1B and believes in the power, Adams is a strike thrower that could be a back end starter, Thinks Fulmer is a reliever but a good one, blamed many of Basabe's struggles on the knee injury, and sees Puckett as a #5 starter. Surprised he doesn't have Seby Zavala in there after the breakout 2017 he had. He's older than most prospects, but could end up being a solid catching option?
February 2, 20188 yr QUOTE (yesterday333 @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 10:38 AM) I wonder how high Collins would be if he believed he can catch. If Collins can stay at catcher he has tremendous value. If Collins projected to be a solidly average catcher, or slightly above average he would be a sure fire top 100 prospect with his plate discipline and power.
February 2, 20188 yr Author QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 01:53 PM) Surprised he doesn't have Seby Zavala in there after the breakout 2017 he had. He's older than most prospects, but could end up being a solid catching option? If Law doesn't believe that Collins can catch then he definitely doesn't think Zavala can either
February 2, 20188 yr I posted this elsewhere but interesting nonetheless, Baseball America said that Zevala was actually behind Collins in catching ability. Now that conflicts with Futuresox who said he's average, but fair to say that for as much as we talk about the work collins needs to do, so does Seby.
February 2, 20188 yr Author QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 02:15 PM) I posted this elsewhere but interesting nonetheless, Baseball America said that Zevala was actually behind Collins in catching ability. Now that conflicts with Futuresox who said he's average, but fair to say that for as much as we talk about the work collins needs to do, so does Seby. Collins is also younger. Some similar stats this year though. Collins at High A: 130 wRC+, .367 wOBA Collins at AA: 166 wRC+, .414 wOBA 19 homers Zavala at A: 139 wRC+, .376 wOBA Zavala at High A: 145 wRC+, .387 wOBA 21 homers It will be interesting to see them both at Birmingham together. Edited February 2, 20188 yr by Y2JImmy0
February 3, 20188 yr QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 12:16 PM) Collins is also younger. Some similar stats this year though. Collins at High A: 130 wRC+, .367 wOBA Collins at AA: 166 wRC+, .414 wOBA 19 homers Zavala at A: 139 wRC+, .376 wOBA Zavala at High A: 145 wRC+, .387 wOBA 21 homers It will be interesting to see them both at Birmingham together. That may be the most interesting thing of the MiLB season watching Collins and Zavala play. One of them is going to be the future Sox catcher and I have no idea who.
February 3, 20188 yr QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Feb 3, 2018 -> 08:18 AM) That may be the most interesting thing of the MiLB season watching Collins and Zavala play. One of them is going to be the future Sox catcher and I have no idea who. I think they'll both be on the Sox MLB roster.
February 4, 20188 yr QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 03:16 PM) Collins is also younger. Some similar stats this year though. Collins at High A: 130 wRC+, .367 wOBA Collins at AA: 166 wRC+, .414 wOBA 19 homers Zavala at A: 139 wRC+, .376 wOBA Zavala at High A: 145 wRC+, .387 wOBA 21 homers It will be interesting to see them both at Birmingham together. I wonder if Carlton Fisk would like to make some visits to Birmingham this summer? Although Birmingham might be a tough sell. Maybe wait till one or both get to Charlotte.
February 4, 20188 yr After the improvements collins made at catcher last season, it's laughable law thinks he can't stick behind the plate.
February 4, 20188 yr QUOTE (Anderdale @ Feb 4, 2018 -> 01:33 PM) After the improvements collins made at catcher last season, it's laughable law thinks he can't stick behind the plate. He's not the only one that thinks this.
February 4, 20188 yr QUOTE (DirtySox @ Feb 4, 2018 -> 07:14 PM) He's not the only one that thinks this. Does anyone outside of the Sox org actually think he can? Still waiting to hear a non-Sox rep say he can. Edited February 4, 20188 yr by fathom
February 4, 20188 yr Author QUOTE (Anderdale @ Feb 4, 2018 -> 02:06 PM) If that's the case why even put stock into him? Nobody outside of the White Sox has said definitively that he can stay at catcher. I'm high on the offensive profile but he needs to stay at C for it not to be fairly ordinary
February 4, 20188 yr QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 4, 2018 -> 03:36 PM) I'm high on the offensive profile but he needs to stay at C for it not to be fairly ordinary I feel like he can hit 25 HR with a .380 OBP. That's what Matt Carpenter did last year at 1B and ended with a 2.9 WAR. What's wrong with that offensive profile for a 1B? It's not like if he can't catch then he's worthless. His bat will play just fine at 1B or DH, even if he fails at catcher.
February 5, 20188 yr I'd like to see Collins bump up his averages and power numbers this year. The plate discipline is good just a little puzzling why that's not translating to better contact when he does swing. Because you'd think that would mean he's swinging at good pitches to hit. Only other explanation would be they are junkballing him all the time or there is a certain pitch/count he's getting exploited on.
February 5, 20188 yr QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 4, 2018 -> 05:39 PM) I feel like he can hit 25 HR with a .380 OBP. That's what Matt Carpenter did last year at 1B and ended with a 2.9 WAR. What's wrong with that offensive profile for a 1B? It's not like if he can't catch then he's worthless. His bat will play just fine at 1B or DH, even if he fails at catcher. Like others have said. Those offensive numbers as a catcher is all star material. As a 1b/dh, he's a dime a dozen type player. So I do agree he really needs to stick to catcher. However, why is the entire white sox organization saying he will catch and trust he can. But everyone outside of the organization doesn't think he can? Are they just not seeing his everyday work improvement? I guess if I was Collins, I'd rather have my own team trust in me than vise versa. As long as the white sox think he can stick, he will stay behind the plate.
February 5, 20188 yr QUOTE (Anderdale @ Feb 5, 2018 -> 07:37 AM) Like others have said. Those offensive numbers as a catcher is all star material. As a 1b/dh, he's a dime a dozen type player. So I do agree he really needs to stick to catcher. However, why is the entire white sox organization saying he will catch and trust he can. But everyone outside of the organization doesn't think he can? Are they just not seeing his everyday work improvement? I guess if I was Collins, I'd rather have my own team trust in me than vise versa. As long as the white sox think he can stick, he will stay behind the plate. The positional adjustment alone is worth 2.5 WAR, so a 2.9 WAR 1B is a 5.4 WAR C, provided neither offense nor defense fall off.
February 8, 20188 yr QUOTE (DirtySox @ Feb 4, 2018 -> 02:14 PM) He's not the only one that thinks this. Correct, that appears to be consensus. Kiley McDaniel said the other day that he sees him fitting in like an Evan Gattis -- a guy ho finds a spot in the lineup every day but is the second or third catcher.
February 8, 20188 yr QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 8, 2018 -> 10:09 AM) Correct, that appears to be consensus. Kiley McDaniel said the other day that he sees him fitting in like an Evan Gattis -- a guy ho finds a spot in the lineup every day but is the second or third catcher. Pretty harsh if you ask me. (yes I know it is a typo)
February 9, 20188 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2018 -> 10:23 AM) Pretty harsh if you ask me. (yes I know it is a typo) More like Evan Get-Ass, amirite?
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