pcq Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said: Depends on what the dodgers do with Kershaw. If they part ways with Kershaw they will have plenty of money to re-sign Machado. I honestly don't think the White Sox have a snowballs chance in hell at signing Machado. I think he'll get some good offers from contending teams that will take the Sox out of the mix. I'm hoping the Sox are able to play solid enough baseball in '19 with their young talent to goes balls deep after Arenado over the 2019/20 winter. You know Machado is dying to come to Chicago at a discount. We have to read this stuff all winter and it might as well be winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, pcq said: You know Machado is dying to come to Chicago at a discount. We have to read this stuff all winter and it might as well be winter. I think we'll see more stuff written about Machado to the cubs than we will see written about the Sox. Then, after Machado signs elsewhere, we'll see nothing but JR is cheap posts littered all over Soxtalk while completely ignoring the Sox never had much of a chance in the first place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, BlackSox13 said: I think we'll see more stuff written about Machado to the cubs than we will see written about the Sox. Then, after Machado signs elsewhere, we'll see nothing but JR is cheap posts littered all over Soxtalk while completely ignoring the Sox never had much of a chance in the first place. Accurate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 hours ago, BlackSox13 said: Depends on what the dodgers do with Kershaw. If they part ways with Kershaw they will have plenty of money to re-sign Machado. I honestly don't think the White Sox have a snowballs chance in hell at signing Machado. I think he'll get some good offers from contending teams that will take the Sox out of the mix. I'm hoping the Sox are able to play solid enough baseball in '19 with their young talent to goes balls deep after Arenado over the 2019/20 winter. Kershaw will definitely get more years but really only slightly more salary per year. Dudes already getting paid. They can afford both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Seems like they could have gotten more in the offseason IMO, but admittedly I don’t know much about the secondary pieces. Regardless, at least we won’t lose a pick now when we sign him next offseason. Absolutely. They took quantity over quality. Orioles fucked this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 14 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: The Orioles have won simply based on how incredibly much they increased the level of return from the winter. This comment didn't age well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: This comment didn't age well. Still angry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Still angry? Enraged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 hours ago, soxfan2014 said: Kershaw will definitely get more years but really only slightly more salary per year. Dudes already getting paid. They can afford both. I'm not sold on the idea of the Dodgers bring Kershaw back due to his expected salary and injury history. I'm thinking they re-sign Machado and try to get one or both of Corbin/Keuchel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 hours ago, BlackSox13 said: I'm not sold on the idea of the Dodgers bring Kershaw back due to his expected salary and injury history. I'm thinking they re-sign Machado and try to get one or both of Corbin/Keuchel. What are they going to do with Seager and Turner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: What are they going to do with Seager and Turner? Move one of them (Seager?) over to 2b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Move one of them (Seager?) over to 2b. Turner has experience at second and Seager did just have tj surgery on his throwing arm so he could be an option for 2B. Forsythe is a free agent after this year so that opens up 2B. Turner only has 2 years left on his deal so you only really need to stomach Machado at SS for a couple years as you could move him to 3B (if he is willing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 8 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Absolutely. They took quantity over quality. Orioles fucked this up. Huh? The Orioles didn't have better offers than this in the offseason, that's why they kept him in the first half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, BlackSox13 said: I'm not sold on the idea of the Dodgers bring Kershaw back due to his expected salary and injury history. I'm thinking they re-sign Machado and try to get one or both of Corbin/Keuchel. That's true too. I meant more along the line so of having to choose one over the other. Signing one wouldn't have an impact on the other. Kershaw is already making $35m a year. He isn't going to make much more than that annually. He's actually owed $70m the next 2 years. You could end up seeing an extension where he may make less than than $35m a year but with more guaranteed years added on. For example: 5 years, $150m= $30m a year. More guaranteed money. Edited July 19, 2018 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 12 hours ago, BlackSox13 said: I think we'll see more stuff written about Machado to the cubs than we will see written about the Sox. Then, after Machado signs elsewhere, we'll see nothing but JR is cheap posts littered all over Soxtalk while completely ignoring the Sox never had much of a chance in the first place. Except the reason the Sox don't have much of a chance is because they won't offer the most money, so the JR is cheap posters will have an argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 14 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Seems like they could have gotten more in the offseason IMO, but admittedly I don’t know much about the secondary pieces. Regardless, at least we won’t lose a pick now when we sign him next offseason. The Bannon kid looks like a guy we would love to have in our system. Very high OBP. power, near .300 BA and supposedly a decent fielding 3rd baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 8 hours ago, LittleHurt05 said: Except the reason the Sox don't have much of a chance is because they won't offer the most money, so the JR is cheap posters will have an argument. Actually they won't because none of us will know for if the Sox make an offer and if they do for how much. We will all be speculating one way or another. IMO I believe the Sox will make an offer but I don't think Machado will have interest in joining a rebuilding team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 8 hours ago, soxfan2014 said: That's true too. I meant more along the line so of having to choose one over the other. Signing one wouldn't have an impact on the other. Kershaw is already making $35m a year. He isn't going to make much more than that annually. He's actually owed $70m the next 2 years. You could end up seeing an extension where he may make less than than $35m a year but with more guaranteed years added on. For example: 5 years, $150m= $30m a year. More guaranteed money. I see what your saying and you're right they could afford both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 52 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said: Actually they won't because none of us will know for if the Sox make an offer and if they do for how much. We will all be speculating one way or another. IMO I believe the Sox will make an offer but I don't think Machado will have interest in joining a rebuilding team. A lot of numbers usually get leaked out so we will see. But I guarantee you Machado would have plenty of interest in a rebuilding team if they are the highest bidder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 hour ago, LittleHurt05 said: A lot of numbers usually get leaked out so we will see. But I guarantee you Machado would have plenty of interest in a rebuilding team if they are the highest bidder. I will be very surprised if Machado receives the highest offer from one team and walks away from it to go to a different team that he has decided to like more. The question, IMO, will be whether the White Sox make the highest offer or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 hour ago, LittleHurt05 said: A lot of numbers usually get leaked out so we will see. But I guarantee you Machado would have plenty of interest in a rebuilding team if they are the highest bidder. I can't speak for Machado but I think the Sox would not only have to be the highest bidder, the bid would have to be significantly higher than a contenders bid. If the Sox bid say 350M and the Dodgers bid 325M I think he takes the Dodgers bid without thinking twice. Tens of millions isn't much when we're talking about hundreds of millions overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said: I can't speak for Machado but I think the Sox would not only have to be the highest bidder, the bid would have to be significantly higher than a contenders bid. If the Sox bid say 350M and the Dodgers bid 325M I think he takes the Dodgers bid without thinking twice. Tens of millions isn't much when we're talking about hundreds of millions overall. I would be genuinely surprised if he signed for $325 and the White Sox came out and said they had an offer on the table for $350 and were turned down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I would be genuinely surprised if he signed for $325 and the White Sox came out and said they had an offer on the table for $350 and were turned down. None of this matters, because he’ll get an opt-out after a couple years. As long as the short-term money is the same and the long-term money isn’t ridiculously different, he’ll probably go to a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said: I can't speak for Machado but I think the Sox would not only have to be the highest bidder, the bid would have to be significantly higher than a contenders bid. If the Sox bid say 350M and the Dodgers bid 325M I think he takes the Dodgers bid without thinking twice. Tens of millions isn't much when we're talking about hundreds of millions overall. Years and years of professional sports free agency have taught me differently, every single dollar counts even when talking hundreds of millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: None of this matters, because he’ll get an opt-out after a couple years. As long as the short-term money is the same and the long-term money isn’t ridiculously different, he’ll probably go to a contender. Opt outs have definitely mixed things up, Heyward is the perfect example. All the talk was how he took less guaranteed money with the Cubs vs. Cardinlas, yet had he not forgotten how to hit, he would have been able.to sign another massive FA deal and made way more than the Cardinals offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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