bmags Posted June 9, 2019 Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 when looking for gladney I found this incredible display of his power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 18 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Gladney is done. So are a bunch others. The 3rd rounder is a rich young man.  $2 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 https://blogs.fangraphs.com/reds-and-mets-game-the-mlb-draft-system/ Interesting Article from fangraphs about overreaching and losing value on our 3rd round draft pick- Dalquist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 58 minutes ago, PolishPrince34 said: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/reds-and-mets-game-the-mlb-draft-system/ Interesting Article from fangraphs about overreaching and losing value on our 3rd round draft pick- Dalquist My guess is this tidbit from the article is crucially important. Quote Keep in mind that it is possible some of the money saved will end up going to picks after the 10th round, where bonuses are capped at $125,000 unless teams use leftover money from the first 10 rounds. Torres, Acosta, Gladney, Glass, Trenkle and Krogman are all going to cost extra money, whereas if the Sox took Allan, they'd have maybe been able to sneak in one of those guys. So far they've got Gladney and Glass. But right now they have a chance to add 8 high schoolers to the system, which I think would have seemed unfathomable a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, PolishPrince34 said: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/reds-and-mets-game-the-mlb-draft-system/ Interesting Article from fangraphs about overreaching and losing value on our 3rd round draft pick- Dalquist I think the article lost me with its premise that the Sox punted all value for the 3rd pick, which is an unknown at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Quin said: My guess is this tidbit from the article is crucially important. Torres, Acosta, Gladney, Glass, Trenkle and Krogman are all going to cost extra money, whereas if the Sox took Allan, they'd have maybe been able to sneak in one of those guys. So far they've got Gladney and Glass. But right now they have a chance to add 8 high schoolers to the system, which I think would have seemed unfathomable a year ago. I wouldn't be opposed to that to get the top high school pitcher, but I will say Allan specifically makes me worried because there was a lot of concern he is a big flame out candidate: "Allan isn't very projectable and is an average athlete, while his command has been consistently below average with this higher octane stuff, so some teams worry this is a classic prep righty bust where clubs fall in love with the raw stuff. His velo would also sit 90-93 at times down the stretch and some teams are worried there could be a minor medical hiccup, which, combined with Allan's $4 million pricetag and committment to Florida, could make him the second most likely prep player in the draft to go to college behind Jack Leiter." - Fangraphs  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 3 hours ago, bmags said: I think the article lost me with its premise that the Sox punted all value for the 3rd pick, which is an unknown at this point. The Sox are in some good company in that article, Reds, Marlins, and Mets! Did Dahlquist sign yet? Doesn't he kind of have the Sox by the balls now? He can keep increasing his ask and the Sox will be forced to pay him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 minute ago, OneDog847 said: The Sox are in some good company in that article, Reds, Marlins, and Mets! Did Dahlquist sign yet? Doesn't he kind of have the Sox by the balls now? He can keep increasing his ask and the Sox will be forced to pay him. No, and no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, bmags said: I wouldn't be opposed to that to get the top high school pitcher, but I will say Allan specifically makes me worried because there was a lot of concern he is a big flame out candidate: "Allan isn't very projectable and is an average athlete, while his command has been consistently below average with this higher octane stuff, so some teams worry this is a classic prep righty bust where clubs fall in love with the raw stuff. His velo would also sit 90-93 at times down the stretch and some teams are worried there could be a minor medical hiccup, which, combined with Allan's $4 million pricetag and committment to Florida, could make him the second most likely prep player in the draft to go to college behind Jack Leiter." - Fangraphs  All high school pitchers are big flame out candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, OneDog847 said: All high school pitchers are big flame out candidates. All pitchers are big flame out candidates. Wow, still true and also not at all interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, OneDog847 said: The Sox are in some good company in that article, Reds, Marlins, and Mets! Did Dahlquist sign yet? Doesn't he kind of have the Sox by the balls now? He can keep increasing his ask and the Sox will be forced to pay him. He doesn't. He'd be gambling on increasing his draft stock, which was that of a 2nd-3rd rounder, to a high 1st rounder over the course of three years while avoiding injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, OneDog847 said: The Sox are in some good company in that article, Reds, Marlins, and Mets! Did Dahlquist sign yet? Doesn't he kind of have the Sox by the balls now? He can keep increasing his ask and the Sox will be forced to pay him. Not really, especially since we haven't signed all the other HS guys yet. Since he is going to be over slot, losing his slot value won't actually hurt us and we would actually have the amount above the slot that we were going to use for him to use to sign other guys. So if we had planned for ~$1.3mm extra to pay him (so ~$2mm total) and he wants to negotiate out of our range, we can take that $1.3mm, add the free $125k, and see if that is enough to get Logan Britt to sign. Then, as long as we offered at least 40% of the slot to Dahlquist, we would get an extra pick in the third round next year. So then he would be in the position of either taking a max of slot or going to school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, GenericUserName said: Not really, especially since we haven't signed all the other HS guys yet. Since he is going to be over slot, losing his slot value won't actually hurt us and we would actually have the amount above the slot that we were going to use for him to use to sign other guys. So if we had planned for ~$1.3mm extra to pay him (so ~$2mm total) and he wants to negotiate out of our range, we can take that $1.3mm, add the free $125k, and see if that is enough to get Logan Britt to sign. Then, as long as we offered at least 40% of the slot to Dahlquist, we would get an extra pick in the third round next year. So then he would be in the position of either taking a max of slot or going to school. Wouldn't that be a pretty massive overpay for Logan Britt though?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, OneDog847 said: Wouldn't that be a pretty massive overpay for Logan Britt though?  Think he was using that as an example.  Might get two additional high schoolers for that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 hours ago, OneDog847 said: Wouldn't that be a pretty massive overpay for Logan Britt though?  I mean its probably an overpay in terms of comparing it to other drafted players, but in terms of just actual value to an organization it would be worth it. The draft suppresses a player's true value so much that even an overpay is a massive discount. The only reason it would be considered an overpay would be because we have a limited pool, but if we don't have anyone else to use it on, then its worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 It'd be nice to get Vaughn in the fold here ASAP.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoxAce Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Great finds. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bmags Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 Acosta being more than Torres I find kinda interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, bmags said: Â I really like Torres based off the 10-or-so sentences I've read and 6 seconds of footage I've seen, so I like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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