1 hour ago, maloney.adam said:

 

Im not sure i want to get involved with Darvish.  That's alot of $$$ for a pitcher entering his 34, 35, and 36 age year. Not to mention the prospects he would require. 

1 minute ago, smellysox said:

Im not sure i want to get involved with Darvish.  That's alot of $$$ for a pitcher entering his 34, 35, and 36 age year. Not to mention the prospects he would require. 

I would think it would be a salary dump though so I don’t know if it would cost that many assets to get him.

2 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

I would think it would be a salary dump though so I don’t know if it would cost that many assets to get him.

There are a few teams that would take on Yu’s deal, so you’re going to have to give up a good amount. 

Edited November 17, 20205 yr by fathom

9 minutes ago, smellysox said:

Im not sure i want to get involved with Darvish.  That's alot of $$$ for a pitcher entering his 34, 35, and 36 age year. Not to mention the prospects he would require. 

Looks like ownership has a mandate to cut payroll.  Not sure how much leverage they will have push comes to shove.

Edited November 17, 20205 yr by SouthWallace

1 minute ago, fathom said:

There are a few teams that would take on Yu’s deal, so you’re going to have to give up a good amount. 

Ok so if you had to choose between Darvish, Lynn and Marquez. Who would you take and why? 

2 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

Ok so if you had to choose between Darvish, Lynn and Marquez. Who would you take and why? 

Darvish +100..  Lynn I dont have much interest trading a top prospect for 1 year.  And Ithink we are vastly overvaluing Marquez.  But if we aren't adn that's really his value, I don't want a part of it.

34 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

I see the Dodgers, and possibly the Mets as the only players for Darvish. If the Cubs have a total rebuild, they will want to couple Darvish with Hayward, and those two teams are the only two with the ability and possible desire to eat that level of salary and related “luxury” tax heading into 2021.
 

If it’s a pure baseball deal for Darvish, I’d quiver at what the Sox would have to give up. Madrigal would not be enough straight up, maybe a second piece.

Why would the Cubs want Madrigal?

24 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Darvish +100..  Lynn I dont have much interest trading a top prospect for 1 year.  And Ithink we are vastly overvaluing Marquez.  But if we aren't adn that's really his value, I don't want a part of it.

I agree. I think we would be giving up too much for a one year rental in Lynn unless we think we can sign him to a contract. Marquez is interesting but is he worth giving up assets for and someone that will be a difference maker for this team in the playoffs? I don’t think so. 

Edited November 17, 20205 yr by maloney.adam

 

Don't Cubs have Nico Hoerner? 

1 minute ago, Flash said:

Don't Cubs have Nico Hoerner? 

I think he can play short stop. But from what I saw, it didn't look like he had the arm strength (maybe they just aren't high on him though).

5 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

 

This is way too convenient.

Darvish and Heyward....if you ae giving them prospects add Bryant and remove Heyward.

30 minutes ago, fathom said:

There are a few teams that would take on Yu’s deal, so you’re going to have to give up a good amount. 

Do you think a Madrigal, Thompson, and like Ty Johnson gets this done? Considering the cash involved 

I've been banging the Darvish drum for over a month but Cubs will want pitching, most likely beginning with return of Cease. Plus...there will be strong competition for Darvish. 

3 minutes ago, smellysox said:

Do you think a Madrigal, Thompson, and like Ty Johnson gets this done? Considering the cash involved 

Why would the Cubs include cash to move Darvish? He's a bargain at $20/yr.

Just now, Flash said:

Why would the Cubs include cash to move Darvish? He's a bargain at $20/yr.

I don't. I think we would take on his salary.  That's why I was hoping it then would mean lighter return of prospects to them.

1 minute ago, smellysox said:

I don't. I think we would take on his salary.  That's why I was hoping it then would mean lighter return of prospects to them.

Of course we would take on his salary. Its quite reasonable. My sense is Cubs will want to package him with a less reasonable salary like Kimbrel, in which case we might insist on cash back. I could see Darvish and Kimbrel plus cash for Cease and fillers. 

14 minutes ago, Flash said:

I've been banging the Darvish drum for over a month but Cubs will want pitching, most likely beginning with return of Cease. Plus...there will be strong competition for Darvish. 

I'd much rather lead a package with Cease than Madrigal

 

20 minutes ago, smellysox said:

Do you think a Madrigal, Thompson, and like Ty Johnson gets this done? Considering the cash involved 

Nope...a team like the Angels could offer a much better prospect like Marsh.  Cubs have no use at all for Madrigal.  Mets and Twins would also be interested in Yu, IMO.

Edited November 17, 20205 yr by fathom

1 minute ago, fathom said:

Nope...a team like the Angels could offer a much better prospect like Marsh.  Cubs have no use at all for Madrigal.

I don't think many would consider Marsh a "much better prospect".. Maybe a better prospect to some, but much better?

2 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I'd much rather lead a package with Cease than Madrigal

 

If we're getting pitching in return then me, too.  We're ready to win now.  Darvish is the absolute best case scenario for what Cease might become during our window.  

2 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I don't think many would consider Marsh a "much better prospect".. Maybe a better prospect to some, but much better?

For what the Cubs would want, they would prefer Marsh over Madrigal.

5 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I'd much rather lead a package with Cease than Madrigal

 

So would the Cubs

6 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I'd much rather lead a package with Cease than Madrigal

 

I would to. But I'd like to give our new pitching coach a shot at working with him.