48 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

He was just re-elected to a 6 year term and probably won't run again at his age so I wouldn't give him a medal of bravery for standing up to Trump's coup attempt.  Still, it's something.

2 hours ago, Stinky Stanky said:

He was just re-elected to a 6 year term and probably won't run again at his age so I wouldn't give him a medal of bravery for standing up to Trump's coup attempt.  Still, it's something.

It's really not much. He and other Republicans should have marched into the White House and should have told Trump to get on with the transition. Biden wants to work with McConnell. We will see how that goes.

 

 

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

If you're viewing this as a display of courage by Mitch, think again.  If senators did object and it came to a vote in the Senate, the Dems would have the vote of every senator on public record to hang around their necks for any reason or no reason at all.  Mitch doesn't want a vote in the Senate, duh.

 

Trump and the Republicans keep trying to say the election was rigged by the Dems when the Republicans did the following:

Purged voter rolls whenever they could

Had so few polling places, voters had to endure long lines to vote

Removed mail boxes and boxes for drop-off ballots in the middle of pandemic

Trump supporters tried to run a Biden campaign bus off the road

Sabotaged the Postal Service in an effort to stop mail-in voting

Michigan electors needed a police escort when they traveled to vote for Biden

Went through countless and needless lawsuits that had no merit whatsoever

In general made registering to vote for difficult

And in 2018, actually tried to rig a congressional election in North Carolina. The election had to be held again.

Spoke of having "poll watchers" go to polling places to intimidate voters and election workers.

Had a plan to kidnap and murder the Michigan governor

 

All of this and Trump still lost by over 7 million. Maybe the country just didn't want him?

 

 

So how does the civil unrest end? America is becoming more and more polarized. 

39 minutes ago, Texsox said:

So how does the civil unrest end? America is becoming more and more polarized. 

It ends when there is a punishment for doing so at the ballot box.

31 minutes ago, Texsox said:

So how does the civil unrest end? America is becoming more and more polarized. 

Increase high school graduation, increase college and university attendance and graduation (including the trades), and improve job market participation and labour market outcomes. There's probably no better cure to radicalization than a decent education and solid employment.

People with steady jobs, good education, and good family and friend support systems don't listen to OANN or throw bricks through a CVS window.

Also, I don't think polarization is a strong enough term anymore to describe what's going on. Partisan politics mostly provides a good outlet for the combat of ideas leading to mediated outcomes. However, in America people seem to live in completely different realities, where they can't even agree on first principles.

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

It ends when there is a punishment for doing so at the ballot box.

It seems like polarizing is working. It builds a loyal army. 

1 minute ago, Texsox said:

It seems like polarizing is working. It builds a loyal army. 

Exactly.  Until they get punished for it, it doesn't matter.

1 hour ago, KipWellsFan said:

Increase high school graduation, increase college and university attendance and graduation (including the trades), and improve job market participation and labour market outcomes. There's probably no better cure to radicalization than a decent education and solid employment.

People with steady jobs, good education, and good family and friend support systems don't listen to OANN or throw bricks through a CVS window.

Also, I don't think polarization is a strong enough term anymore to describe what's going on. Partisan politics mostly provides a good outlet for the combat of ideas leading to mediated outcomes. However, in America people seem to live in completely different realities, where they can't even agree on first principles.

This makes a great deal of sense. Instead of talking about law and order, open up the society with educational and employment opportunities. And you're right about the polarization in the United States. Right now compromise or trying to reach a consensus is looked upon as betrayal and or selling out. The government is letting its people down right now. Grandstanding congressional hearings solve nothing.

8 hours ago, KipWellsFan said:

Increase high school graduation, increase college and university attendance and graduation (including the trades), and improve job market participation and labour market outcomes. There's probably no better cure to radicalization than a decent education and solid employment.

People with steady jobs, good education, and good family and friend support systems don't listen to OANN or throw bricks through a CVS window.

Also, I don't think polarization is a strong enough term anymore to describe what's going on. Partisan politics mostly provides a good outlet for the combat of ideas leading to mediated outcomes. However, in America people seem to live in completely different realities, where they can't even agree on first principles.

You're on the right track.....but there needs to be an abundance of options for good jobs in both urban and rural areas.

The country is falling apart because even college educated folks who have a decent family and friend support system are getting squeezed. There simply are two economies. There's one for the middle class and above and there's one for the working poor. And the largest segment of US society is in the latter category currently. I read an article where they claimed  that 47% of the US labor force is making $27k or less per year. That's not sustainable. Those people are fracturing into two groups based on who they place the blame on for the lack of good jobs. When half the country can barely pay their bills, you have a problem. This is exactly how societal decay happens. The two greatest threats to America are income inequality and climate change. Fixing those are a must. 

16 hours ago, KipWellsFan said:

Increase high school graduation, increase college and university attendance and graduation (including the trades), and improve job market participation and labour market outcomes. There's probably no better cure to radicalization than a decent education and solid employment.

People with steady jobs, good education, and good family and friend support systems don't listen to OANN or throw bricks through a CVS window.

Also, I don't think polarization is a strong enough term anymore to describe what's going on. Partisan politics mostly provides a good outlet for the combat of ideas leading to mediated outcomes. However, in America people seem to live in completely different realities, where they can't even agree on first principles.

I hate to say this, because I hate self-centered politics, but part of the reason I've moderated so much this year (the other being that Trump has handled everything like an idiot and Republicans have joined him like lemmings rather than restraining his worst instincts) is that I'm much better off financially than I was three years ago. When that tax cut came in 2017, it was a total lifeline. I couldn't hate Trump because he gave me $100 extra bucks a month!!

I don't need that money anymore. You're a belligerent jackass who generally responds to every single thing in the most idiotic way imaginable? Please take your $100 and go.

Pathetic, but true. I'd like to think that even if I was still paycheck to paycheck, this year has been atrocious enough that I would have taken the same ideological path. Who knows, though.

So the Russians have been inside the computers of the National Nuclear Security Agency for months and I feel this is a bad thing.

I have been listening to my normal podcasts lately and decided to listen to Mark Levin after listening to Kurt Schlichter backing up Hugh Hewitt’s show. Levin claimed that article 2, section one, clause 2 was eliminated by the Supreme Court not taking up an important election case. I don’t follow him because I don’t see what he is arguing in the section. Is Biden “illegitimate” because state legislatures changed the mail in ballot rules? I can’t really follow the why behind he is “illegitimate” from conservatives I have listened to.

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

So the Russians have been inside the computers of the National Nuclear Security Agency for months and I feel this is a bad thing.

Too bad the President doesn't care.

7 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Too bad the President doesn't care.

Even her haters have to admit Hillary was right about one thing, he is Putin’s puppet.

10 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Too bad the President doesn't care.

You'd think he'd be mad since they didn't secure another term for him.  

3 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

Even her haters have to admit Hillary was right about one thing, he is Putin’s puppet.

After 4 years of Trump I would vote for Hillary every single time.

12 hours ago, The Beast said:

I have been listening to my normal podcasts lately and decided to listen to Mark Levin after listening to Kurt Schlichter backing up Hugh Hewitt’s show. Levin claimed that article 2, section one, clause 2 was eliminated by the Supreme Court not taking up an important election case. I don’t follow him because I don’t see what he is arguing in the section. Is Biden “illegitimate” because state legislatures changed the mail in ballot rules? I can’t really follow the why behind he is “illegitimate” from conservatives I have listened to.

Probably should not bother listening to garbage propagandists who lie constantly and knowingly, imo. You don't follow him because it's meant for a credulous base.

 

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Mike Pence could confirm Joe Biden as president-elect when Congress meets in three weeks time, and then leave the country, his aides have said.

The vice-president, who is due to confirm the Democrat’s assent to the United States presidency in a session of Congress on January 6, is believed to be planning on an overseas trip straight after those proceedings.

Completely normal thing to do.

Just now, Quin said:

Completely normal thing to do.

I think he ends up making tons of money with a lobbying and influence group down the road.  i think he is probably done politically, but he will be one rich dude when all is said and done.