April 15, 20214 yr 48 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: It seems Quintana was just on a 3 year hot streak with the Sox and he got figured out in the NL. Glad Hahn was able to sell high. I honestly never got the fascination with Quintana. Decent but never thought he was special.
April 15, 20214 yr Just now, RagahRagah said: I honestly never got the fascination with Quintana. Decent but never thought he was special. He was worth more than 20 bWAR. There aren't a lot of starters like that around. Absolutely the best pitcher we've had since Buehrle, non-Sale divison. It's not even close.
April 15, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, RagahRagah said: I honestly never got the fascination with Quintana. Decent but never thought he was special. Coop could fix him.
April 15, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, 3GamesToLove said: He was worth more than 20 bWAR. There aren't a lot of starters like that around. Absolutely the best pitcher we've had since Buehrle, non-Sale divison. It's not even close. Perhaps, but I don't necessarily feel like that was a long list. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps I need to view his advanced metrics but before I knew anything about that stuff it appeared to me like his results were consistently that of a backend starter at best.
April 15, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: Perhaps, but I don't necessarily feel like that was a long list. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps I need to view his advanced metrics but before I knew anything about that stuff it appeared to me like his results were consistently that of a backend starter at best. You don't even need advanced metrics. His season ERA in said five seasons were 3.76 , 3.51, 3.32, 3.36, and 3.20! If that's a backend starter ("at best!?"), then you must be talking about an all-time great rotation. Those numbers are a solid #2 or even a #1 on some teams. Edited April 15, 20214 yr by 3GamesToLove
April 15, 20214 yr 38 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: Perhaps, but I don't necessarily feel like that was a long list. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps I need to view his advanced metrics but before I knew anything about that stuff it appeared to me like his results were consistently that of a backend starter at best. You either have a terrible memory, or have no idea what results to expect from a back end- middle- or front end starter.
April 15, 20214 yr I love Jose when he was with us, but I think they traded him at peak value (#2 pitcher) and were compensated accordingly in what they received back. He's obviously more of a 4th/5th start now.
April 15, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: It seems Quintana was just on a 3 year hot streak with the Sox and he got figured out in the NL. Glad Hahn was able to sell high. lol figured out,
April 15, 20214 yr 47 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: I love Jose when he was with us, but I think they traded him at peak value (#2 pitcher) and were compensated accordingly in what they received back. He's obviously more of a 4th/5th start now. Agreed. He totally was a #2 from 2014-16, but he started to drop off in 2017 and Hahn was able to move him just in time, and did a nice sales job about the decline. IIRC Quintana had a 4.42 ERA when he was traded but was having a career year in strikeouts.
April 15, 20214 yr 57 minutes ago, turnin' two said: You either have a terrible memory, or have no idea what results to expect from a back end- middle- or front end starter. Perhaps the former is true. My recollection was not great results. Perhaps a lack of run support. Edited April 15, 20214 yr by RagahRagah
April 16, 20214 yr 10 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: It seems Quintana was just on a 3 year hot streak with the Sox and he got figured out in the NL. Glad Hahn was able to sell high. What the fuck is a "3 year hot streak" lmao
April 16, 20214 yr Quintana was amazing for most of 2012 and helped carry their unexpected charge at the Tigers. He was one of the best #2/3 starters in baseball until 2017, when things started to go south. Arguably, on some bottom 10 teams, he would have been the ace or best pitcher. But a solid #2, definitely. His weak points were not always going long in games (past the 5th or 6th, especially near the end of his Sox career), and not being able to put away hitters because he lacked one true "plus" strikeout pitch that he could always call forth in pressure situations. Always overlooked because he was never a dominant stuff pitcher, but got by on guile, location and was in many ways similar to Mark Buehrle (or a Glavine with less control), except for sometimes slowing down the game a bit more with runners on base.
April 16, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, gusguyman said: What the fuck is a "3 year hot streak" lmao Jake Arrieta?
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