16 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

Lol not true at all. Has a lot more success than Hahn ever will.

Not true.  He was not handcuffed from day 1 like RH was.  RH has had to be working with or get everything approved by KW.  

KW has had a hand in everything the Sox has done for the last 10 years and that includes some of twh worst trades and signing this organization has done.  

KW should be shit into the sun and never allowed to work in baseball again, that's how bad he was, is and has been 

Don’t you guys see it, Hahn just looks for the trash nobody else wants and just prays for them to be reborn on the Sox. He has no conception how to trade and build a team. I don’t think he was dumb enough to think that all that money spend on the bullpen was the answer. Or is he that stupid? Maybe. Somebody else is influencing the lineup. Is it Williams? Is it TLR, or is it just Hahn. More importantly how can TLR STILL HAVE A JOB after ANOTHER intentional walk on a 1 and 2 count with 2 outs???? 

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

There are press people who said that the driving force in the Kelly acquisition was LaRussa. So while I don’t have any urge to let Hahn off the hook, I don’t want to let LaRussa off the hook for the bullpen signings either.

None of it matters. We're WELL beyond looking at 1-2 signings that "sunk" the team. 

The well is poisoned. The fruit has gone rotten. It ALL needs to go. We're well past slicing off part of the apple and saving the rest.....everything needs to go. 

Just now, Polar Bear said:

Not true.  He was not handcuffed from day 1 like RH was.  RH has had to be working with or get everything approved by KW.  

KW has had a hand in everything the Sox has done for the last 10 years and that includes some of twh worst trades and signing this organization has done.  

KW should be shit into the sun and never allowed to work in baseball again, that's how bad he was, is and has been 

Funny typo but still works lmao

1 minute ago, GreenSox said:

Yea, well that's why they signed him.  This FO likes Leury and players like Leury.  Rick Hahn's looking for the next Keppinger.

Elvis>>>>>>Leury at SS with the glove. Neither can hit their way out of a wet paper bag. 

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1 minute ago, GreenSox said:

Yea, well that's why they signed him.  This FO likes Leury and players like Leury.  Rick Hahn's looking for the next Keppinger.

Well they did eat some salary when they released Keppinger so there is hope.

3 minutes ago, Polar Bear said:

Not true.  He was not handcuffed from day 1 like RH was.  RH has had to be working with or get everything approved by KW.  

KW has had a hand in everything the Sox has done for the last 10 years and that includes some of twh worst trades and signing this organization has done.  

KW should be shit into the sun and never allowed to work in baseball again, that's how bad he was, is and has been 

And yet he still put together one of the best teams to ever win the World Series. (modern era)  Something Hahn will never come close to doing.

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10 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

What are you smoking ? While I applaud your bashing the low hanging rotten fruit like a pinata ,you say Hahn is pretty blameless because they , meaning who exactly, overspent on the bullpen ? Plus the world knew from last year they couldn't hit RHP and they still can't. They (Hahn) could've addressed that situation 3 times since the middle of 2021 and did nothing.

While at some point they maxed out payroll the priorities were way out of wack. Let's let Rodon walk without a QO, Let's pick up Kimbrel's option and trade him and SURPRISE he was pretty untradeable but hey we got a 34yr old RIGHT HANDED HITTER!  You're just as delusional about the cast of position players as Hahn is.

When you have a tiny budget you ain't getting shit on the FA market and trades are even harder.  Bullpen is the easiest to get for cheap in FA 

2 minutes ago, Tony said:

None of it matters. We're WELL beyond looking at 1-2 signings that "sunk" the team. 

The well is poisoned. The fruit has gone rotten. It ALL needs to go. We're well past slicing off part of the apple and saving the rest.....everything needs to go. 

Might as well lose out to force the most possible changes 

Just now, Polar Bear said:

When you have a tiny budget you ain't getting shit on the FA market and trades are even harder.  Bullpen is the easiest to get for cheap in FA 

The Sox don't have a tiny budget. 

Just now, fathom said:

Might as well lose out to force the most possible changes 

I'm to the point of openly rooting for losses. They need a wake up call. 

If they finish with fewer wins than the 2016 team hopefully that does it. 

2 minutes ago, soulfly said:

And yet he still put together one of the best teams to ever win the World Series. (modern era)  Something Hahn will never come close to doing.

How many of those guys were hold overs from before him, a whole hell of a lot 

4 minutes ago, wegner said:

Well they did eat some salary when they released Keppinger so there is hope.

Didn't Keppinger just quit?  Lawrie, another impressive middle infielder from the annals of Hahn, quit.
With his eye for veteran talent, no wonder Hahn was able to trade away Tatis and Semien.

Speaking of salary, they aren't brining Pollock back, ffs, are they?

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1 minute ago, Tony said:

The Sox don't have a tiny budget. 

They don't on total payroll but they do for individual players. 

1 minute ago, fathom said:

Might as well lose out to force the most possible changes 

I would be fully on board with that IF I believed changes will happen. 

I find it hard to believe that TLR is back next year...but a new manager doesn't solve the issues.

Will it help? Yes. 

Will it make the Sox a true World Series threat? Not a chance. 

2 minutes ago, Polar Bear said:

When you have a tiny budget you ain't getting shit on the FA market and trades are even harder.  Bullpen is the easiest to get for cheap in FA 

But we didn’t get it for cheap. 

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

They don't on total payroll but they do for individual players. 

So do a lot of teams that are considered very successful and well-run franchises. 

2 minutes ago, Tony said:

The Sox don't have a tiny budget. 

They had one of the smallest FA budgets in baseball this season.  Whne you at like 180 million and van only add 20 million you can't fix anything in FA.  The fact that Hahn managed to fix a couple holes with that little of a FA budget is amazing (Cueto)

1 minute ago, Polar Bear said:

They had one of the smallest FA budgets in baseball this season.  Whne you at like 180 million and van only add 20 million you can't fix anything in FA.  The fact that Hahn managed to fix a couple holes with that little of a FA budget is amazing (Cueto)

What?  Hahn fixed no holes and spent over $30 Million fixing no holes.  What he did was quintessential Hahn:  lazy and incompetent. 

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1 minute ago, Polar Bear said:

They had one of the smallest FA budgets in baseball this season.  Whne you at like 180 million and van only add 20 million you can't fix anything in FA.  The fact that Hahn managed to fix a couple holes with that little of a FA budget is amazing (Cueto)

What holes did he fix?

7 minutes ago, Tony said:

So do a lot of teams that are considered very successful and well-run franchises. 

Those teams also have an analytics dept and farm system worth a damn, and they invest heavily in both. 

I still believe David Samson because it completely fits the MO of the org. 

My whole problem with Jerry is that he won't pick a damn lane. If you want to have a limit on individual player contracts, spending on analytics and scouting is a must. They have a 194M payroll this year, and I wouldn't mind if it was $170M if they took that extra $25M and invested it properly into baseball ops. 

As an owner, you can't have a limit on player contracts and be the most frugal org in the game in scouting, player development, and analytics. 

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1 minute ago, GreenSox said:

What?  Hahn fixed no holes and spent over $30 Million fixing no holes.

We needed a SP and he got Cueto.  He also jettisoned Kimbrel and his horrible contract for outfield help in Pollock.  Harrison hasn't been a good signing but not even as close to as bad as Leury was but JR, KW, and TLR love Leury so they had to have him back 

1 minute ago, Polar Bear said:

They had one of the smallest FA budgets in baseball this season.  Whne you at like 180 million and van only add 20 million you can't fix anything in FA.  The fact that Hahn managed to fix a couple holes with that little of a FA budget is amazing (Cueto)

According to Spotrac, the Sox sit at 7th in payroll at 196 million in payroll. 

I don't want to break any news to you, but Rick Hahn has been at the helm for over a decade. 

Yes, we'd all like the Sox to FINALLY sign a high priced, prized FA. 

But the payroll isn't a "problem", there are 20+ teams that would kill for the payroll the Sox have right now. 

Rick just doesn't know how to build a Championship contender. 

2 minutes ago, PorkChopExpress said:

What holes did he fix?

 

Just now, Polar Bear said:

We needed a SP and he got Cueto.  He also jettisoned Kimbrel and his horrible contract for outfield help in Pollock.  Harrison hasn't been a good signing but not even as close to as bad as Leury was but JR, KW, and TLR love Leury so they had to have him back 

 

Tony looks like he is on the verge of death after these games in the post-game interviews.  He mumbles, gets confused, and looks out of it.  Great fucking hire JR.