Yea, it's pretty wild. I've had a few friends that were on the juice for a cycle or two and the progression and gains they made was pretty noticeable in a short time. That said, they still put in the work in the gym. In fact, they were there more than the rest of us that didn't, because their recovery time was so much quicker. Normal people assume you take them and instantly get jacked, but really, you have to put the work in. But yea, 15 years ago, you could easily tell the few guys that were on it. Now, it's all over the place.