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1 minute ago, fathom said:

Which would mean you shut him down for the season. 

I don't know.  If they shut him down in June of this year or whatever then he is back at square one.  At some point he needs to pitch and if he is not an option because of injuries so be it.

He is looking more and more like a reliever especially if he has no second pitch especially if he can't pitch enough to develop it.

The difference between he and Cease is innings pitched at the MLB level.

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10 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

I don't know.  If they shut him down in June of this year or whatever then he is back at square one.  At some point he needs to pitch and if he is not an option because of injuries so be it.

He is looking more and more like a reliever especially if he has no second pitch especially if he can't pitch enough to develop it.

The difference between he and Cease is innings pitched at the MLB level.

Sorry, meant going forward for rest of the year. He’s likely not going to be near 100 pct the rest of the way.

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15 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

I don't know.  If they shut him down in June of this year or whatever then he is back at square one.  At some point he needs to pitch and if he is not an option because of injuries so be it.

He is looking more and more like a reliever especially if he has no second pitch especially if he can't pitch enough to develop it.

The difference between he and Cease is innings pitched at the MLB level.

He’s 26 and in his first 30 career starts has a 3.6 ERA and you’re writing him off as a career reliever? How?

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7 minutes ago, elrockinMT said:

I think this constant crying about LaRussa and blaming for everything negative is simply ridiculous. Kopech wanted to start and told the manager he wanted the ball. He had knee issues earlier so it wasn’t caused by Tony 

And since Michael Kopech is the manager, he gets the final say over such things.

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Aren't there limits to how often Martin and Banks can be moved up and down? Are either of them close to that? 
 

Edit: here's the rule text: 

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(Players may only be optioned five times per season; after that, it requires outright assignment waivers to assign the player to the Minor Leagues.)

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/minor-league-options

 

Martin has been up for 1 outing in April, 1 stretch in June, July 12, July 29, and August 9. He's been called up and down 5 times. Unless there's an exception for double headers, they can't call him up and send him down again without having him go through waivers. 

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6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

And since Michael Kopech is the manager, he gets the final say over such things.

And how was LaRussa supposed to know ? Is he a doctor. There was no one ready to start and Kopech was on the mound. He didn’t leave him out there for anymore than four batters. 

 

 

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Just now, elrockinMT said:

And how was LaRussa supposed to know ? Is he a doctor. There was no one. Ready to start and Kopech was on the mound. He didn’t leave him out there for anymore than four batters. 

 

 

It's a complete shame that the White Sox employ no doctors. Nor any experts in pitching mechanics or any other physical processes. 

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4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Aren't there limits to how often Martin and Banks can be moved up and down? Are either of them close to that? 
 

Edit: here's the rule text: 

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/minor-league-options

 

Martin has been up for 1 outing in April, 1 stretch in June, July 12, July 29, and August 9. He's been called up and down 5 times. Unless there's an exception for double headers, they can't call him up and send him down again without having him go through waivers. 

Pretty sure the DH rules don't apply here.

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21 minutes ago, elrockinMT said:

I think this constant crying about LaRussa and blaming for everything negative is simply ridiculous. Kopech wanted to start and told the manager he wanted the ball. He had knee issues earlier so it wasn’t caused by Tony 

Yeah he sure seemed to be throwing with conviction. That 88 mph fastball out of the gate was impressive.

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13 minutes ago, elrockinMT said:

Kopech wasn’t laying on the ground screaming in pain. Tony is not the reason Kopech is on the IL 

No, clearly something was wrong. He and the trainers went out. Kopech was almost certainly going on the IL for a short stretch after that happened.

Except in the eyes of LaRussa, who still sent him out to pitch and only then after 20 below average pitches clearly hampered by injury did he pull him. So yes, he was going to the IL anyway.

But, that also gave up 4 runs and lost a game against the Royals. It's a good thing they're not in a pennant race, because that would be a pretty awful way to throw away a game, putting a pitcher out there who was hurt rather than overruling him.

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2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Frankly shocked they didn't again play shorthanded for three or four days trying to figure out what was wrong with him.

Like seemingly every guy part of the core group for the rebuild Kopech just can't stay healthy. And TLR absolutely did him no favors yesterday.

Fathom keeps mentioning Cease as next chip to fall for 2023 lol.

Might as well have two TJ.

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6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

No, clearly something was wrong. He and the trainers went out. Kopech was almost certainly going on the IL for a short stretch after that happened.

Except in the eyes of LaRussa, who still sent him out to pitch and only then after 20 below average pitches clearly hampered by injury did he pull him. So yes, he was going to the IL anyway.

But, that also gave up 4 runs and lost a game against the Royals. It's a good thing they're not in a pennant race, because that would be a pretty awful way to throw away a game, putting a pitcher out there who was hurt rather than overruling him.

Royals' announcers thought he should have been pulled right away.  They were 2-3 batters out in front of TLR.

Needed the "Engel needs to PR now"/Larry David impersonator guy near dugout back to help manage and annoy Tray.

They can pay him the Narron or Cairo salary instead for a month.

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