August 23, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: We'll see, knee strains can be very tricky things especially considering the force a pitcher uses on his legs. This is far from his first leg problem.
August 23, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, South Side Fireworks Man said: Might as well bring up a bullpen arm until Kopech's next starting turn comes up. Guess that makes sense.
August 23, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is far from his first leg problem. This is what I was thinking. When they bring him back, he should be fully ready, not having to deal with "slight discomfort" or some such.
August 23, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Bossanoveralls said: This is what I was thinking. When they bring him back, he should be fully ready, not having to deal with "slight discomfort" or some such. Which would mean you shut him down for the season.
August 23, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, fathom said: Which would mean you shut him down for the season. I don't know. If they shut him down in June of this year or whatever then he is back at square one. At some point he needs to pitch and if he is not an option because of injuries so be it. He is looking more and more like a reliever especially if he has no second pitch especially if he can't pitch enough to develop it. The difference between he and Cease is innings pitched at the MLB level.
August 23, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: I don't know. If they shut him down in June of this year or whatever then he is back at square one. At some point he needs to pitch and if he is not an option because of injuries so be it. He is looking more and more like a reliever especially if he has no second pitch especially if he can't pitch enough to develop it. The difference between he and Cease is innings pitched at the MLB level. Sorry, meant going forward for rest of the year. He’s likely not going to be near 100 pct the rest of the way.
August 23, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: I don't know. If they shut him down in June of this year or whatever then he is back at square one. At some point he needs to pitch and if he is not an option because of injuries so be it. He is looking more and more like a reliever especially if he has no second pitch especially if he can't pitch enough to develop it. The difference between he and Cease is innings pitched at the MLB level. He’s 26 and in his first 30 career starts has a 3.6 ERA and you’re writing him off as a career reliever? How?
August 23, 20223 yr I think this constant crying about LaRussa and blaming for everything negative is simply ridiculous. Kopech wanted to start and told the manager he wanted the ball. He had knee issues earlier so it wasn’t caused by Tony
August 23, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, elrockinMT said: I think this constant crying about LaRussa and blaming for everything negative is simply ridiculous. Kopech wanted to start and told the manager he wanted the ball. He had knee issues earlier so it wasn’t caused by Tony And since Michael Kopech is the manager, he gets the final say over such things.
August 23, 20223 yr Just for reference, Kopech is currently at 110 innings on the season. A not unreasonable goal for him this year was in the range of 125-130, so it would be nice to be able to get 3 or 4 more starts from him on the year.
August 23, 20223 yr Aren't there limits to how often Martin and Banks can be moved up and down? Are either of them close to that? Edit: here's the rule text: Quote (Players may only be optioned five times per season; after that, it requires outright assignment waivers to assign the player to the Minor Leagues.) https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/minor-league-options Martin has been up for 1 outing in April, 1 stretch in June, July 12, July 29, and August 9. He's been called up and down 5 times. Unless there's an exception for double headers, they can't call him up and send him down again without having him go through waivers.
August 23, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: And since Michael Kopech is the manager, he gets the final say over such things. And how was LaRussa supposed to know ? Is he a doctor. There was no one ready to start and Kopech was on the mound. He didn’t leave him out there for anymore than four batters. Edited August 23, 20223 yr by elrockinMT
August 23, 20223 yr Just now, elrockinMT said: And how was LaRussa supposed to know ? Is he a doctor. There was no one. Ready to start and Kopech was on the mound. He didn’t leave him out there for anymore than four batters. It's a complete shame that the White Sox employ no doctors. Nor any experts in pitching mechanics or any other physical processes.
August 23, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Aren't there limits to how often Martin and Banks can be moved up and down? Are either of them close to that? Edit: here's the rule text: https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/minor-league-options Martin has been up for 1 outing in April, 1 stretch in June, July 12, July 29, and August 9. He's been called up and down 5 times. Unless there's an exception for double headers, they can't call him up and send him down again without having him go through waivers. Pretty sure the DH rules don't apply here.
August 23, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, elrockinMT said: And how was LaRussa supposed to know ? Is he a doctor. There was no one. Ready to start and Kopech was on the mound. He didn’t leave him out there for anymore than four batters. Is Tony blind? If no, that's how.
August 23, 20223 yr I would just shut him down. I would not be shocked if Kopech needs a knee clean up in the offseason.
August 23, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Aren't there limits to how often Martin and Banks can be moved up and down? Are either of them close to that? I think five times max is what I heard
August 23, 20223 yr Just now, elrockinMT said: I think five times max is what I heard See the edits. Martin has been sent down 5 times, so unless there's some exception I don't know about, they can't call him up without keeping him up the rest of the year.
August 23, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Is Tony blind? If no, that's how. Kopech wasn’t laying on the ground screaming in pain. Tony is not the reason Kopech is on the IL
August 23, 20223 yr Also even if the roster rules do include doubleheader, September 1 and roster expansion will happen before Kopech comes back anyway.
August 23, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, elrockinMT said: I think this constant crying about LaRussa and blaming for everything negative is simply ridiculous. Kopech wanted to start and told the manager he wanted the ball. He had knee issues earlier so it wasn’t caused by Tony Yeah he sure seemed to be throwing with conviction. That 88 mph fastball out of the gate was impressive.
August 23, 20223 yr Just now, elrockinMT said: Kopech wasn’t laying on the ground screaming in pain. Tony is not the reason Kopech is on the IL That's odd, how did literally everyone else see it in real time then?
August 23, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, elrockinMT said: Kopech wasn’t laying on the ground screaming in pain. Tony is not the reason Kopech is on the IL No, clearly something was wrong. He and the trainers went out. Kopech was almost certainly going on the IL for a short stretch after that happened. Except in the eyes of LaRussa, who still sent him out to pitch and only then after 20 below average pitches clearly hampered by injury did he pull him. So yes, he was going to the IL anyway. But, that also gave up 4 runs and lost a game against the Royals. It's a good thing they're not in a pennant race, because that would be a pretty awful way to throw away a game, putting a pitcher out there who was hurt rather than overruling him.
August 23, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Frankly shocked they didn't again play shorthanded for three or four days trying to figure out what was wrong with him. Like seemingly every guy part of the core group for the rebuild Kopech just can't stay healthy. And TLR absolutely did him no favors yesterday. Fathom keeps mentioning Cease as next chip to fall for 2023 lol. Might as well have two TJ.
August 23, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: No, clearly something was wrong. He and the trainers went out. Kopech was almost certainly going on the IL for a short stretch after that happened. Except in the eyes of LaRussa, who still sent him out to pitch and only then after 20 below average pitches clearly hampered by injury did he pull him. So yes, he was going to the IL anyway. But, that also gave up 4 runs and lost a game against the Royals. It's a good thing they're not in a pennant race, because that would be a pretty awful way to throw away a game, putting a pitcher out there who was hurt rather than overruling him. Royals' announcers thought he should have been pulled right away. They were 2-3 batters out in front of TLR. Needed the "Engel needs to PR now"/Larry David impersonator guy near dugout back to help manage and annoy Tray. They can pay him the Narron or Cairo salary instead for a month.
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