November 24, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: What did you watch the last two seasons, FFS pay closer attention. Jerry sucks and is cheap, the end. Nothing you say about throwing money at problems will help. This situation is what it is, you keep suggesting the same stupid things that will never happen and the rest of us are merely hoping that someone will draft or sign someone internationally that can possibly be competent for the entire short tenure with the major league club before they are deemed too expensive every time you do that stupid “just win, baby” it’s like you are standing in front of a car with no engine telling it “just drive, baby”. IT DOESNT WORK BECAUSE IT DOESNT HAVE THE RIGHT PARTS AND THE OWNER DOESNT WANT TO BUY THEM OR MAINTAIN THEM Then if all this is true, the league should break up the White Sox and contract them. I mean there are examples of teams that also appear to have malfeasance with absolutely no desire to win (Bulls seem to be one of them) but if it's this blatantly obvious the Sox just don't want to win, why is the franchise in existence? At least all the teams in the Sox division besides the Sox have tried a tad to win and they all face the same limitations as the Sox. Your post says there's no hope til Jerry dies basically. This should not be allowed by MLB.
November 24, 20241 yr On 11/23/2024 at 1:32 PM, WestEddy said: No term is derogatory enough for them. Uh oh. I'll just say no comment cause we aren't allowed to discuss politics.
November 24, 20241 yr 55 minutes ago, greg775 said: Then if all this is true, the league should break up the White Sox and contract them. I mean there are examples of teams that also appear to have malfeasance with absolutely no desire to win (Bulls seem to be one of them) but if it's this blatantly obvious the Sox just don't want to win, why is the franchise in existence? At least all the teams in the Sox division besides the Sox have tried a tad to win and they all face the same limitations as the Sox. Your post says there's no hope til Jerry dies basically. This should not be allowed by MLB. The Bulls are a cash cow and consistently draw well at least. The White Sox are much worse off than the Twins in 2001-02 when the commissioner threatened to contract them...but only due to the Chicago market and history will Reinsdorf be spared, seemingly. And greed. The owners want to expand, not move teams around the chessboard.
November 24, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The Bulls are a cash cow and consistently draw well at least. The White Sox are much worse off than the Twins in 2001-02 when the commissioner threatened to contract them...but only due to the Chicago market and history will Reinsdorf be spared, seemingly. And greed. The owners want to expand, not move teams around the chessboard. Went to the Bulls game last night. The fan experience hasn’t changed in a few years. Very disappointing
November 24, 20241 yr 32 minutes ago, fathom said: Went to the Bulls game last night. The fan experience hasn’t changed in a few years. Very disappointing Bro, they added Iced Coffee to the Dunkin Race
November 24, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Quin said: Bro, they added Iced Coffee to the Dunkin Race I’ve seen the same Bucket Boys halftime show the last four games I’ve been to. They were also out of pizza on the 200 level by the first timeout. Edited November 24, 20241 yr by fathom
November 24, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, fathom said: I’ve seen the same Bucket Boys halftime show the last four games I’ve been to Oh god, they are still doing that? How horribly lame.
November 24, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Oh god, they are still doing that? How horribly lame. With two break dancers performing that people were laughing at around me thinking it was a joke.
November 25, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, greg775 said: Then if all this is true, the league should break up the White Sox and contract them. I mean there are examples of teams that also appear to have malfeasance with absolutely no desire to win (Bulls seem to be one of them) but if it's this blatantly obvious the Sox just don't want to win, why is the franchise in existence? At least all the teams in the Sox division besides the Sox have tried a tad to win and they all face the same limitations as the Sox. Your post says there's no hope til Jerry dies basically. This should not be allowed by MLB. That is EXACTLY what the Sox situation is. The sooner you accept this the easier it will be to laugh at the ineptitude.
November 25, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: That is EXACTLY what the Sox situation is. The sooner you accept this the easier it will be to laugh at the ineptitude. Lip you are a logical historian. Why doesn't the commissioner contract the Sox? You guys say we cannot and will not even try to win with Jerry in charge. This is against everything about pro sports. You can't knowingly rip off the fans. Contract this team, Mr. Commissioner or force Jerry to sell. This is egregious.
November 25, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, fathom said: Went to the Bulls game last night. The fan experience hasn’t changed in a few years. Very disappointing The fan experience at Bulls games is among the best in all of sports. Bulls games are fun as hell, and their attendance numbers have followed accordingly. If you think the experience is "disappointing," you're in an extreme minority.
November 25, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, greg775 said: Lip you are a logical historian. Why doesn't the commissioner contract the Sox? You guys say we cannot and will not even try to win with Jerry in charge. This is against everything about pro sports. You can't knowingly rip off the fans. Contract this team, Mr. Commissioner or force Jerry to sell. This is egregious. Because even if he wanted to (and he doesn't) Manfred doesn't have that kind of unlimited power/authority. If he tried it the other owners would fire his ass in a New York minute. To say nothing of JR having him in court slapped with an injunction. Manfred could give a s%*# how bad the Sox are, they are making money and that's all he and the league care about.
November 25, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: Why would they tender Anderson? He’s still pre arb. Why wouldn’t they
November 25, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, fathom said: With two break dancers performing that people were laughing at around me thinking it was a joke. Were the Jesse White Tumblers already booked somewhere else? I thought that used to be the Bulls go to performance. Edited November 25, 20241 yr by WhiteSox2023
November 25, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: Why would they tender Anderson? He’s cheap and has good stuff.
November 25, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: He’s cheap and has good stuff. But he walks way too many guys.
November 25, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Manfred could give a s%*# how bad the Sox are, they are making money and that's all he and the league care about. I wish you or somebody could write an essay telling me exactly how the Sox make money. Awful TV ratings, tiny crowds, I'd assume very few jackets and hats and uniform tops sold. How in the bleep can this team make money? Does parking dollars matter that much to the bottom line? Shared TV money?
November 25, 20241 yr This might sound dumb but how about signing Jose Abreu and Timmy Anderson to minor league, vet minimum deals?
November 25, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, greg775 said: I wish you or somebody could write an essay telling me exactly how the Sox make money. Awful TV ratings, tiny crowds, I'd assume very few jackets and hats and uniform tops sold. How in the bleep can this team make money? Does parking dollars matter that much to the bottom line? Shared TV money? They make money because the national AND international revenue streams are more than ever before and are shared equally. National broadcast money is shared equally and it is a lot... the local advertising deals to go along with the local radio/TV deals still produce money despite how bad the team is, that money has already been paid to the Sox, it is already drawing interest in the bank. Now add in concessions, parking and merchandise... it all ads up. Then remember that during the "rebuild" between 2017-2019 the Sox either had the lowest team payroll in baseball or near the bottom. That "savings" added up and reduced losses because of COVID. Just a few years ago MLB sold one of their properties to BAT Technology. Each team got a 50 million dollar check. JR has a sweetheart lease agreement on his stadium which also impacts the bottom line. JR can claim he's losing money but the circumstantial evidence doesn't support it and of course until JR opens his books to an independent auditor we will never know with 100% accuracy. But color me VERY skeptical he's losing a dime. Edited November 25, 20241 yr by Lip Man 1
November 25, 20241 yr 41 minutes ago, greg775 said: I wish you or somebody could write an essay telling me exactly how the Sox make money. Awful TV ratings, tiny crowds, I'd assume very few jackets and hats and uniform tops sold. How in the bleep can this team make money? Does parking dollars matter that much to the bottom line? Shared TV money? MLB teams profit on local TV revenue, ticket sales, merchandise sales, parking, concessions, etc. However, you need to look into revenue sharing as well. For example, MLB.tv revenue goes to the central MLB fund, which is eventually divided up amongst all 30 teams for revenue sharing, along with the luxury tax, and other forms of revenue. https://www.thetribune.ca/sports/mlb/ Quote All the while, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported that in most years since 2007, the Pirates have been able to cover their payroll with their gate revenue (ie. ticket sales, concessions, stadium merchandise sales, and parking) alone. This does not include any revenue from national or local television, or, most importantly, revenue sharing. Under the new collective bargaining agreement (CBA) negotiated in 2022, each MLB team pools 48 per cent of local revenues with the total amount split equally between all 30 teams. This results in each team taking in 3.3 per cent of the total—an estimated $110 million USD, if not more. Teams also receive a share of national revenues, totalling around $90 million USD per team. Edited November 25, 20241 yr by WhiteSox2023
November 25, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, 46DidIt said: He’s still pre arb. Why wouldn’t they Because he averages 5+ BBs per 9 at the ripe young age of 32.
November 25, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Because he averages 5+ BBs per 9 at the ripe young age of 32. That 1.50 WHIP is apparently sexy to Getzy.
November 25, 20241 yr 13 hours ago, fathom said: With two break dancers performing that people were laughing at around me thinking it was a joke. Australian pseudo Olympians?
November 25, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: They make money because the national AND international revenue streams are more than ever before and are shared equally. National broadcast money is shared equally and it is a lot... the local advertising deals to go along with the local radio/TV deals still produce money despite how bad the team is, that money has already been paid to the Sox, it is already drawing interest in the bank. Now add in concessions, parking and merchandise... it all ads up. Then remember that during the "rebuild" between 2017-2019 the Sox either had the lowest team payroll in baseball or near the bottom. That "savings" added up and reduced losses because of COVID. Just a few years ago MLB sold one of their properties to BAT Technology. Each team got a 50 million dollar check. JR has a sweetheart lease agreement on his stadium which also impacts the bottom line. JR can claim he's losing money but the circumstantial evidence doesn't support it and of course until JR opens his books to an independent auditor we will never know with 100% accuracy. But color me VERY skeptical he's losing a dime. BamTech? https://www.nbcsports.com/mlb/news/each-owner-will-get-at-least-50-million-in-early-2018-from-he-sale-of-bamtech
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