December 13, 20241 yr 41 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Major league regulars, or White Sox regulars? For the White Sox, that means a 1.5 to 2ish fWAR at best. MLB regulars. You know I don't play the stupid anti-White Sox clique thing on this board.
December 14, 20241 yr 21 hours ago, TaylorStSox said: I still like Gonzalez. He's still only 22. It's too early to call him a bust. I would bet a large sum that at least 2 of those IF's between 15 and 19 will be MLB regulars. That's a really strong top 20. I started paying attention to him because I like his name. with an 80 grade name like Wikelman, he's destined for success. but really excellent stuff, unfortunately he walks 5 guys per 9. Oh you're talking about Jacob. I liked him out of college, felt it was a good pick, but I thought he would be more advanced by now. I think he looks better than Colson at SS at least.
December 14, 20241 yr Kinda weird the Sox are deep at 2B and catcher. Don't remember the last time it happened. If new Monty or King George pan out in right, we'll hit the trifecta at our 3 worst spots.
December 15, 20241 yr On 12/11/2024 at 9:12 PM, caulfield12 said: Jacob Gonzalez all the way down to #15. Meidroth acquisition a direct shot across the bow as he profiled more as a 2B in terms of tools. What a catastrophe that pick was. I hate playing the game of "Look who was drafted after him!!" (Bradfield, Lombard, Aiden Miller, Brice Matthews, BTW), but I'm curious who Mike Shirley was focused on when Jeremy Haber allegedly made the call on Gonzo.
December 16, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, WestEddy said: What a catastrophe that pick was. I hate playing the game of "Look who was drafted after him!!" (Bradfield, Lombard, Aiden Miller, Brice Matthews, BTW), but I'm curious who Mike Shirley was focused on when Jeremy Haber allegedly made the call on Gonzo. I thought they were taking Arjun Nimmala if Blake Mitchell was off the board.
January 23, 20251 yr https://www.southsidesox.com/2025/1/22/24349905/white-sox-place-five-in-baseball-americas-top-100-noah-schultz-hagen-smith-teel-colson-montgomery#:~:text=White Sox place five in Baseball America’s Top,among all organizations. Baseball America %40 baseballamerica.com Red Sox Big 3 at #2/4/15. Big dropoff to Teel and B.Montgomery.
January 24, 20251 yr On 1/22/2025 at 2:03 PM, southsider2k5 said: A bit ridiculous for Montgomery to be at #39 and for Quero to miss the list altogether.
January 25, 20251 yr 3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: A bit ridiculous for Montgomery to be at #39 and for Quero to miss the list altogether. Same exact place on Pipeline/#39. Huge difference of opinion on Quero...#66 at MLB Pipeline.
January 25, 20251 yr "Is Drew Thorpe eligible for this list? I saw him on the list of 204 that received votes. He had 44 innings pitched last year, which is less than the 50 inning rule for ROY if I’m not mistaken. Wondering where he would land. I think he was top 50 before making his MLB debut. He was on the MLB active roster for about 50 days though, not sure if BA goes by the 45 day rule?" BA.com Drew Thorpe fell into the others receiving votes category for the BA Top 100...quite the descent from last year. Edited January 25, 20251 yr by caulfield12
January 31, 20251 yr On 1/24/2025 at 3:12 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: A bit ridiculous for Montgomery to be at #39 and for Quero to miss the list altogether. If Quero remains healthy, he'll hit better than 95% of all catchers. His defense isn't a sure thing yet either. Still, not making the list is silly. He could move to another position and still be very valuable. Hit for average and solid power with a ton of walks plays just about anywhere.
February 5, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Four out of Top 7 AL Central...the one missing, KC, take note Getz.
February 7, 20251 yr BA's Just MIssed (31-40): https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/10-white-sox-prospects-to-know-beyond-the-top-30-in-2025/ Samuel Zavala, OF Tyler Schweitzer, LHP Casey Saucke, OF Ronny Hernandez, C Prelander Berroa, RHP Seth Keener, RHP Nick McClain, OF Luis Reyes, RHP Javier Mogollon, SS Adisyn Coffey, RHP
February 8, 20251 yr Author 20 hours ago, Autumn Dreamin said: BA's Just MIssed (31-40): https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/10-white-sox-prospects-to-know-beyond-the-top-30-in-2025/ Samuel Zavala, OF Tyler Schweitzer, LHP Casey Saucke, OF Ronny Hernandez, C Prelander Berroa, RHP Seth Keener, RHP Nick McClain, OF Luis Reyes, RHP Javier Mogollon, SS Adisyn Coffey, RHP That’s the best 31 to 40 I can remember in at least over a decade.
February 8, 20251 yr 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: That’s the best 31 to 40 I can remember in at least over a decade. The system is really good. I know, shocker haha.
February 8, 20251 yr Author 20 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The system is really good. I know, shocker haha. I knew it was much deeper, but seeing some of these names does really reinforce that point. Zavala would firmly be a top 15 to 20 prospect in most years for us and he’s not even making the top 30. Imagine if we actually had a LatAm pipeline to supplement the prospects we already have in place.
February 17, 20251 yr FG Rankings: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2025-top-100-prospects/ 18. Noah Schultz, LHP 21. Hagen Smith, LHP 49. Kyle Teel, C 58. Colson Montgomery, SS 90. Edgar Quero, C 94. Grant Taylor, RHP No Braden, but love to see Taylor make a list.
February 18, 20251 yr The Sox have 3 pitchers with legitimate #1 starter stuff. How many teams can say that? If you guessed none you're right. It's the only bright spot in the organization. If all are pitching well in June, Getz could trade one for 3-4 legit prospects and diversify their portfolio. Aces only come around once in a blue moon. Injuries happen all the time.
February 19, 20251 yr 3 hours ago, zisk said: The Sox have 3 pitchers with legitimate #1 starter stuff. How many teams can say that? If you guessed none you're right. It's the only bright spot in the organization. If all are pitching well in June, Getz could trade one for 3-4 legit prospects and diversify their portfolio. Aces only come around once in a blue moon. Injuries happen all the time. Counterpoint: they had EVEN MORE in the 2017-2019 (plus Rodon) and 1998-2000 prospect cycles. It took the Contreras and Freddy Garcia moves in 2004 to put them over the top coming into the 2005 season. Odds are that at least 25-33% of pitching prospects will get injured, it's just an irrefutable fact in this age of super max velo.
February 19, 20251 yr 31 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Counterpoint: they had EVEN MORE in the 2017-2019 (plus Rodon) and 1998-2000 prospect cycles. It took the Contreras and Freddy Garcia moves in 2004 to put them over the top coming into the 2005 season. Odds are that at least 25-33% of pitching prospects will get injured, it's just an irrefutable fact in this age of super max velo. These two sentences next to each other are wild. "Fact", but numbers pulled firmly out of no where.
February 19, 20251 yr 19 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: These two sentences next to each other are wild. "Fact", but numbers pulled firmly out of no where. Fine, how confident are you that Schultz, Smith and Taylor won't get hurt in the next 5-7 years? I suppose there's some study out there that PTAC has access to that we can put an actual number to it...if we can agree to an official date when "max velo" pitching actually started. Then in July of 2013 Will Carroll came out with an article stating that 33% of opening day Major League pitchers had undergone the surgery. I, however, found the study problematic, which I discussed in my previous article. In March of 2014, Jeff looked at players who threw a pitch 100MPH or harder and found that 25% of them had the surgery. And finally at this year’s Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, Dr. Glenn Fleisig found that 16% of all pitchers had Tommy John, 15% of Minor Leaguers had Tommy John, and 25% of Major Leaguers fell under the knife. So how does this relate to velocity? Well in my previous article I found that 32% of pitchers who threw 95+ MPH on average had the surgery. If we are to believe Will Carroll’s findings then really there isn’t any significant risk of throwing harder. If we, however, choose to look Dr. Fleisig’s results then throwing harder does increase your chances of having Tommy John. https://community.fangraphs.com/velocity-and-the-likelihood-of-tommy-john-surgery/ That was almost a decade ago...so the numbers surely have increased from that isolated point in time.. "Since the introduction of pitch tracking in 2008, Major League fastball velocities -- and the velocities of other pitch types -- have climbed higher and higher. That increase in velocity has correlated with the increase in pitcher injuries over the same time period."Dec 17, 2024 But it's not just fastballs. Pitchers are now chasing "stuff" -- velocity, spin and movement -- on all their pitches, especially with all the tracking technology now available to them. Teams value pitches with higher stuff grades, so pitchers work to attain certain measurables, both during the year with their MLB team and often in the offseason with independent pitch development labs. That also might be increasing stress on pitchers' arms. "With all the modeling of pitches that goes on now, it’s very binary that higher velo with a better shape is going to yield more positive outcomes. It’s hard for guys to step off the gas because it’s me versus you, and if I’m going to give less than my best effort, and if you hit it over the fence, I’ll be kicking myself because I know I could’ve done more," said a pitching development executive from one MLB team. Pitchers throwing as hard as they can, or their nastiest breaking ball, with maximum effort every pitch is the combination that the experts surveyed agreed was the likeliest cause of arm injuries. That consensus will help MLB focus its research going forward. "If we interviewed 200 people, I was concerned that we'd get 200 different answers," Fleisig said. "The fact that there was agreement in this report -- that most people think the No. 1 issue is velocity -- is great. The survey does not prove what the issues are, but it shows us what people [in baseball] think the issues are. So it gives us a gameplan or roadmap for what we should try to solve." https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-releases-report-on-pitcher-injuries-2024 . Edited February 19, 20251 yr by caulfield12
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