January 10, 20251 yr 16 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: I don't care if he was getting paid a dollar. He's not worth a single fucking cent to this team. Maybe he has value as the wrong side of a platoon on a team that is so loaded they can carry a RH DH on the occasional need for a pinch hitter. The amount of money this sad sack team has spent on worthless players when they could have spent the same on fewer actual good players is mind boggling. No matter how many times they get burnt, they just keep on doing the same. The White Sox way for eternity. Quantity is always better than quality. Sign as many vet scrubs as you can. Multiple vet bums that total $20 million for one year is always better than one good player for $20 million. Getz is and will be using the same playbook as Hahn.
January 10, 20251 yr 17 hours ago, poppysox said: Wow!!! What a relief. Yes, so many other teams wanted our bum players!!! Amazing how we were able to retain these guys! 😆 Edited January 10, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023
January 10, 20251 yr Author 34 minutes ago, WestEddy said: That's what they did to Viciedo. Ah yeah. I was thinking Avi. But also maybe Brett Lawrie.
January 10, 20251 yr 8 hours ago, tray said: I do not blame the organization for Vaughn's offensive issues which have been the same, year after year. AV is a short, stout hitter that loads up with a high leg kick to generate power. OK but all too often he steps in the proverbial bucket and whiffs or comes up short on outside sliders that he can't reach as his left leg is off the ground or in the bucket. Since the Sox are not going to sign a FA power hitter like Santander, Vaughn is probably worth what they have agreed upon. You don’t blame the very organization that drafted the bust first baseman in the first place? Your description of AV should have been in the Sox scouting reports when they decided to draft him third overall.
January 10, 20251 yr 15 hours ago, PaleAleSox said: Maybe he would have been better, but a high possibility he wouldn’t be. Guys are busts far more often than not. And far more often for the Sox than other teams, specially position players.
January 10, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: You don’t blame the very organization that drafted the bust first baseman in the first place? Your description of AV should have been in the Sox scouting reports when they decided to draft him third overall. Andrew Vaughn was a consensus top 5 draft pick. Anything else is BS hindsight.
January 10, 20251 yr 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Andrew Vaughn was a consensus top 5 draft pick. Anything else is BS hindsight. They also had to develop him…
January 10, 20251 yr 3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: They also had to develop him… That's the problem.
January 10, 20251 yr I get why most are done with AV. But its not like Sox have any other great options between 1B/DH after Vargas. May as well give him one more shot to turn into a tradeable asset. $5.85M is nothing in baseball terms. If he sucks again, you simply non-tender for 2026 and move along.
January 10, 20251 yr A "bust" doesn't put up league average production. Andrew Vaughn is a league average hitter. Yes, he needed to be a superstar, being drafted at #3. Calling him a complete bust is silly.
January 10, 20251 yr 6 minutes ago, WestEddy said: A "bust" doesn't put up league average production. Andrew Vaughn is a league average hitter. Yes, he needed to be a superstar, being drafted at #3. Calling him a complete bust is silly. True to some extent. But discussing whether a #3 overall pick is worth $6 million or should be DFA after only four seasons at age 26 is pretty damn bad. Edited January 10, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023
January 10, 20251 yr 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: A "bust" doesn't put up league average production. Andrew Vaughn is a league average hitter. Yes, he needed to be a superstar, being drafted at #3. Calling him a complete bust is silly. Except you don't look for your 1B to be "league average". Their primary job is offense. You look for "league average" hitters at non-offensive positions. Your 1B is there to create runs. Of 1B's last year with 400 or more PAs, his 97 RC+ ranked 29th of 36 hitters. Factor in his below average 1B defense, he drops to 31st best at 1B. I mean I guess you can say they picked better than 2nd round pick Gavin Sheets, who is dead last, right?
January 10, 20251 yr 4 minutes ago, WestEddy said: A "bust" doesn't put up league average production. Andrew Vaughn is a league average hitter. Yes, he needed to be a superstar, being drafted at #3. Calling him a complete bust is silly. Andrew Vaughn is not a league average 1b offensively though.
January 10, 20251 yr 8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Except you don't look for your 1B to be "league average". Their primary job is offense. You look for "league average" hitters at non-offensive positions. Your 1B is there to create runs. Of 1B's last year with 400 or more PAs, his 97 RC+ ranked 29th of 36 hitters. Factor in his below average 1B defense, he drops to 31st best at 1B. I mean I guess you can say they picked better than 2nd round pick Gavin Sheets, who is dead last, right? Obviously. Courtney Hawkins was a bust. Zach Collins was a bust. Andrew Vaughn isn't what he's supposed to be.
January 10, 20251 yr 18 minutes ago, WestEddy said: A "bust" doesn't put up league average production. Andrew Vaughn is a league average hitter. Yes, he needed to be a superstar, being drafted at #3. Calling him a complete bust is silly. It will be interesting if a new manager affects some of these guys through better usage,
January 10, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: They changed that rule? Do you have the new text linkable? My understanding is if Vaughn went to arbitration, the contract could be voided and he could be released. But, if you agree to a contract with him to avoid arbitration, that contract is guaranteed. Am I mistaken?
January 10, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, Timmy U said: My understanding is if Vaughn went to arbitration, the contract could be voided and he could be released. But, if you agree to a contract with him to avoid arbitration, that contract is guaranteed. Am I mistaken? I believe this is correct. By avoiding arb, you're signing them to a guaranteed contract. Same would go for Penn Murfee, who may didn't have penciled into the pen, and close to the chopping block. Though his deal would be a much cheaper one to swallow.
January 10, 20251 yr 15 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Obviously. Courtney Hawkins was a bust. Zach Collins was a bust. Andrew Vaughn isn't what he's supposed to be. Bust has different levels for sure.
January 10, 20251 yr Author 27 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Except you don't look for your 1B to be "league average". Their primary job is offense. You look for "league average" hitters at non-offensive positions. Your 1B is there to create runs. Of 1B's last year with 400 or more PAs, his 97 RC+ ranked 29th of 36 hitters. Factor in his below average 1B defense, he drops to 31st best at 1B. I mean I guess you can say they picked better than 2nd round pick Gavin Sheets, who is dead last, right? 26 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Andrew Vaughn is not a league average 1b offensively though. I was going to say, league average is a lower bar than offense at exclusively 1B.
January 10, 20251 yr 7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I was going to say, league average is a lower bar than offense at exclusively 1B. It's also worth noting that with anyone but a few teams, he probably is barely playing, and those counting numbers suffer even more.
January 10, 20251 yr 9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I was going to say, league average is a lower bar than offense at exclusively 1B. First base isn't as offensive as it used to be.
January 10, 20251 yr 39 minutes ago, WestEddy said: A "bust" doesn't put up league average production. Andrew Vaughn is a league average hitter. Yes, he needed to be a superstar, being drafted at #3. Calling him a complete bust is silly. I think it’s all relative to expectations, draft position, etc. If Vaughn was a fourth round pick, he clearly wouldn’t be a bust. But he was a consensus top 5 pick and seen as a polished hitter who would be a difference maker offensively. When the results are league average production after that, that’s bust territory IMO.
January 10, 20251 yr 10 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: First base isn't as offensive as it used to be. While true, he's also still below average as an offensive 1b. That includes both his numbers last year and his career numbers.
January 10, 20251 yr 15 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: First base isn't as offensive as it used to be. Andrew Vaughn is definitely offensive to watch at first base. 🤣
January 10, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: I get why most are done with AV. But its not like Sox have any other great options between 1B/DH after Vargas. May as well give him one more shot to turn into a tradeable asset. $5.85M is nothing in baseball terms. If he sucks again, you simply non-tender for 2026 and move along. Who knows, maybe he'll be a late bloomer. I doubt it, but you never know.
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