WhiteSox2023 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: But it has never been explained...why those two specific teams...Hahn and Kim Ng never got along? Because KW spent a lot of time in Miami? You already know the answer to this — because Jerry runs his organization like a goofball and the Sox front office was a clown show. All I know is, if Hahn and Kenny couldn’t even align on trades, I seriously doubt Getz had any sort of opinion or power in the decision making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: But it has never been explained...why those two specific teams...Hahn and Kim Ng never got along? Because KW spent a lot of time in Miami? And why was the simultaneous Anderson trade by Hahn denied/voided? McGuffey answered this as well… Kenny wanted to trade Burger to the Marlins so he did. Hahn wanted to trade Anderson to the Marlins but Kenny vetoed it. Kenny loved Anderson. Like I said, Kenny had the sole decision making on trades with the Marlins and Yankees. He was the final say on trades with those two teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 37 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: It's one of the main reasons why he's the GM today, the disharmony involving trading Anderson and Burger at the same time by two club executives...at some point, we might even learn who Getz sided with during this standoff. I quite literally was focusing on "Things Chris Getz did in 2024 that made the White Sox worse and that look bad on his record." Things that happened before he was the GM have nothing to do with this particular topic. Chris Getz is not the only reason the White Sox lost 121 games last year, but Chris Getz's bad decisions were absolutely a part of that and made the White Sox worse. For the people who say we should give Getz the benefit of the doubt and look past how he was hired, fine I'm willing to do that. You know who has nothing to do with things happening after Chris Getz was hired as GM? Jake Burger. You didn't need to derail this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: I quite literally was focusing on "Things Chris Getz did in 2024 that made the White Sox worse and that look bad on his record." Things that happened before he was the GM have nothing to do with this particular topic. Chris Getz is not the only reason the White Sox lost 121 games last year, but Chris Getz's bad decisions were absolutely a part of that and made the White Sox worse. For the people who say we should give Getz the benefit of the doubt and look past how he was hired, fine I'm willing to do that. You know who has nothing to do with things happening after Chris Getz was hired as GM? Jake Burger. You didn't need to derail this. I thought Chris Getz was teaching players how NOT to play baseball, so he ruined every single prospect in our system. It's refreshing to hear somebody say that wasn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: I quite literally was focusing on "Things Chris Getz did in 2024 that made the White Sox worse and that look bad on his record." Things that happened before he was the GM have nothing to do with this particular topic. Chris Getz is not the only reason the White Sox lost 121 games last year, but Chris Getz's bad decisions were absolutely a part of that and made the White Sox worse. For the people who say we should give Getz the benefit of the doubt and look past how he was hired, fine I'm willing to do that. You know who has nothing to do with things happening after Chris Getz was hired as GM? Jake Burger. You didn't need to derail this. Every single thread between now and at least 70 future wins by the Sox will be referendums on Chris Getz, for and against... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 9 hours ago, caulfield12 said: But it has never been explained...why those two specific teams...Hahn and Kim Ng never got along? Because KW spent a lot of time in Miami? And why was the simultaneous Anderson trade by Hahn denied/voided? I believe it is because Kenny had a good working relationship with both Cashman and Ng. He worked with Cashman on many previous trades and had a personal friendship with Ng. And Jerry was such a clown that he allowed this power struggle to occur between Kenny and Hahn. Ng was quoted after the Burger trade as saying, “I called up my man Kenny Williams and got it done.” See article linked below for more on Kenny’s friendship with Ng. Hahn supposedly had nothing to do with the trade and didn’t even want to trade Burger at all. Hahn’s trade of Anderson was cancelled by Kenny because he absolutely loved Anderson and saw him as the face of the franchise, from what I remember reading/hearing. In hindsight, it sure looks like Hahn was correct on both moves — trading Anderson and keeping Burger. But once again, like @Balta1701 said, Getz likely didn’t have anything to do with these moves. If there was a power struggle between Kenny and Hahn as the EVP and GM respectively, you know that Getz had almost zero power in decision making at that point in time. https://www.soxon35th.com/marlins-gm-kim-ng-shares-details-on-jake-burger-trade-with-white-sox/ Quote When talking about her deal with the White Sox specifically, Ng shared that Executive VP Kenny Williams was a key point of contact. She cited their good friendship and her previous tenure with the organization as being beneficial in conversations between the two sides. “The time was ticking on the clock in terms of getting a deal done,” Ng said. “We probably had a handful of deals that we thought were there or close to being there. But we really felt that we had to get one locked in. So at that point, we decided to go with Mr. Burger. Called Kenny Williams, got that one done in the books.” “The time was ticking on the clock in terms of getting a deal done,” Ng said. “We probably had a handful of deals that we thought were there or close to being there. But we really felt that we had to get one locked in. So at that point, we decided to go with Mr. Burger. Called Kenny Williams, got that one done in the books.” “Not too many deals between the Marlins and White Sox over the years, I saw,” broadcaster Kyle Sielaff added. ”Not too many, but considering I’m an alumni of that group,” Ng added with a smile. “Had a pretty good relationship with Kenny.” Edited January 13 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Every single thread between now and at least 70 future wins by the Sox will be referendums on Chris Getz, for and against... After all, who would expect that we’d get derailed talking about Chris Getz in a thread titled “Could Getz Have an Actual Master Plan?” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: After all, who would expect that we’d get derailed talking about Chris Getz in a thread titled “Could Getz Have an Actual Master Plan?” Texsox was just bored and trolling SoxTalk like Greg likes to do occasionally....getting both sides all riled up. What would never fascinating to see is the 'ol KW Big Board with future free agents listed on it. Getz implied we were eventually going to sign a $100+ million player...but there aren't a lot of realistic options for the OF coming up. For example, does anyone see Bo Bichette coming off a strong rebound season in Toronto signing with the White Sox??? They will need CF, LF and likely SS through a potential Robert trade/2025-26 draft/FA. Maybe they get pretty lucky and Zavala or Wolkow fill another corner spot to go along with Braden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 14 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Texsox was just bored and trolling SoxTalk like Greg likes to do occasionally....getting both sides all riled up. What would never fascinating to see is the 'ol KW Big Board with future free agents listed on it. Getz implied we were eventually going to sign a $100+ million player...but there aren't a lot of realistic options for the OF coming up. For example, does anyone see Bo Bichette coming off a strong rebound season in Toronto signing with the White Sox??? They will need CF, LF and likely SS through a potential Robert trade/2025-26 draft/FA. Maybe they get pretty lucky and Zavala or Wolkow fill another corner spot to go along with Braden. There are tons of free agent OFs in the 2026-27 offseason…there just aren’t a lot next year. Getting a LF will not be a problem for us eventually. Honestly, the biggest question is can Colson stick at SS. If he can, then CF becomes the main concern long-term with us likely needing to solve with our top pick in the 2026 draft, through a Robert trade, or eventually using some pitching depth to acquire. That’s why holding onto Robert makes all the sense in the world. A return to form and he’s suddenly a super valuable trade chip given the lack of good CF options in these upcoming free agent classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: There are tons of free agent OFs in the 2026-27 offseason…there just aren’t a lot next year. Getting a LF will not be a problem for us eventually. Honestly, the biggest question is can Colson stick at SS. If he can, then CF becomes the main concern long-term with us likely needing to solve with our top pick in the 2026 draft, through a Robert trade, or eventually using some pitching depth to acquire. That’s why holding onto Robert makes all the sense in the world. A return to form and he’s suddenly a super valuable trade chip given the lack of good CF options in these upcoming free agent classes. We really need a SS and CF to “complete” (probably still a pipe dream) this prospect rebuild. Hopefully they can get these two position players in the next draft and with a trade of hopeful comeback player of the year winner Luis Robert. And no more Jacob Gonzalez picks at SS. Edited January 13 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 https://www.mlb.com/news/2025-underrated-mlb-free-agents Lists seven...more candidates for Getz to sign and flip. Well, other than Nick Pivetta, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 25 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.mlb.com/news/2025-underrated-mlb-free-agents Lists seven...more candidates for Getz to sign and flip. Well, other than Nick Pivetta, that is. The only true flip candidate I see in that list is Austin Hays. All those other guys will get paid decently enough by some team. Verdugo will likely get a multi-year deal at age 28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I think its obvious whatever plan he had has completely changed after what happened last year. You don't make the signings and moves he made last offseason if you think your team is going to lose 110+ games. It definitely felt like he thought he could just swap out a few flawed pieces with defenders and that was going to fix the issues. I think a lot of what he has done so far this offseason is far better than what he did last season. I hope we don't spend 3/4 of the season trotting out washed vets just because. I hope they have a tighter leash and cut bait faster to ensure the young guys who need development get their time. We don't need Bryse Wilson making 25 starts with a 5+ ERA if we have 3,4,5 other young guys who are ready to make starts on the big club. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 7 minutes ago, T R U said: I think its obvious whatever plan he had has completely changed after what happened last year. You don't make the signings and moves he made last offseason if you think your team is going to lose 110+ games. It definitely felt like he thought he could just swap out a few flawed pieces with defenders and that was going to fix the issues. I think a lot of what he has done so far this offseason is far better than what he did last season. I hope we don't spend 3/4 of the season trotting out washed vets just because. I hope they have a tighter leash and cut bait faster to ensure the young guys who need development get their time. We don't need Bryse Wilson making 25 starts with a 5+ ERA if we have 3,4,5 other young guys who are ready to make starts on the big club. At least Getz quickly learned that defense and leadership doesn’t win games on its own. Your players actually have to hit and get on base. His big ticket prospect acquisitions at least show that he values these things, even though his free agent signings and other MLB player acquisitions did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.mlb.com/news/2025-underrated-mlb-free-agents Lists seven...more candidates for Getz to sign and flip. Well, other than Nick Pivetta, that is. Oh geez, three of the guys I want them to sign from the first list. Oh well. I’d love to see them sign Pivetta and Hays as well but I doubt that’s happening either. Edited January 13 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 19 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Oh geez, three of the guys I want them to sign from the first list. Oh well. I’d love to see them sign Pivetta and Hays as well but I doubt that’s happening either. You’ll get $5 million dollar max signings and like it! Anything higher than that is too rich for Jerry’s blood. 😉 Hays alone over the trash platoon of Tauchman/Slater would have been nice. Give Hays the full-time starting job and see if he can have a comeback season. Would have been a much better flip candidate than Slater and Tauchman who will net nothing of value at the deadline. Edited January 13 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 19 hours ago, WestEddy said: Which is why I think all of the negative people should post their resumes for GM here. Then the rest of us could post video of us urinating ourselves laughing at "I played HS ball, and have a fantasy team. My secret for success would be 'sign all the best players', and win a lot!" This is the most Jerry response yet. I am smarter than you, so stfu. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 30 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is the most Jerry response yet. I am smarter than you, so stfu. You don’t have a resume with any MLB experience so you can’t judge the godly GM that is Chris Getz! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 4 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: At least Getz quickly learned that defense and leadership doesn’t win games on its own. Your players actually have to hit and get on base. His big ticket prospect acquisitions at least show that he values these things, even though his free agent signings and other MLB player acquisitions did not. In all fairness, Getz's signings didn't bring defense or leadership either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: You don’t have a resume with any MLB experience so you can’t judge the godly GM that is Chris Getz! 🤣 Too bad MLB experience hasn't helped Getz himself... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 9 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: In all fairness, Getz's signings didn't bring defense or leadership either. “Bare minimum: They’re going to catch the baseball, they’re going to be in the right position and make sound decisions,” Getz said. “I look for players that have high baseball IQ, can direct traffic in the middle of the diamond. On the catching position, they build a solid rapport with our pitching staff and they educate our pitchers and they can make adjustments within a game, postgame, pregame. We’ve got a lot of pitchers that are still developing in their careers or once again have something to prove, and I feel like we’ve got two additional coaches with the catchers that we’ve brought in with Max Stassi and [Martín] Maldonado.” lol 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Quin said: “Bare minimum: They’re going to catch the baseball, they’re going to be in the right position and make sound decisions,” Getz said. “I look for players that have high baseball IQ, can direct traffic in the middle of the diamond. On the catching position, they build a solid rapport with our pitching staff and they educate our pitchers and they can make adjustments within a game, postgame, pregame. We’ve got a lot of pitchers that are still developing in their careers or once again have something to prove, and I feel like we’ve got two additional coaches with the catchers that we’ve brought in with Max Stassi and [Martín] Maldonado.” lol God that's amazing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: God that's amazing. It ages like diseased milk. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: God that's amazing. Give him a break. He didn’t do any to anything wrong. All the guys he acquired last offseason were pretty good at some point like 5 years earlier in their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Give him a break. He didn’t do any to anything wrong. All the guys he acquired last offseason were pretty good at some point like 5 years earlier in their careers. What really hits me is that I was in Houston in 2023 so I know what a complete mess Maldonado was both behind the plate and in the locker room in 2023 (maybe not all his fault, a lot of it was definitely Dusty, but clearly stuff involving him hurt that Astros team). It did not take much to understand why he'd be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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