caulfield12 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 48 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Wheeler signed a 5/$118M deal, one that we topped. https://soxmachine.com/2019/12/reports-white-sox-actually-try-publicly-fail-to-land-zack-wheeler/ I guess it's because the original bidding range was supposed to be $70-90 million that I remembered it that way... So we have one example...where a contract for Wheeler instead of Keuchel would/could have changed the course of the franchise, possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 56 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Wheeler signed a 5/$118M deal, one that we topped. That Rick Hahn said they topped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 8 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: That Rick Hahn said they topped. And Wheeler and Wheeler's agent also verified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 11 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: That Rick Hahn said they topped. It’s widely accepted that the Sox beat out the Phillies. They don’t deserve a medal for trying and their failure to have signed a major free agent to this point is a total joke, but let’s not make comments like “Jerry doesn’t believe any player is worth $100M”. Plenty to rip Jerry for without creating false narratives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s widely accepted that the Sox beat out the Phillies. They don’t deserve a medal for trying and their failure to have signed a major free agent to this point is a total joke, but let’s not make comments like “Jerry doesn’t believe any player is worth $100M”. Plenty to rip Jerry for without creating false narratives. But we don’t know what the tax implications were, we know the White Sox are willing to look at things like option years and say “we offered more money” - AND regardless, would the White Sox have extended him for $40 million a year on a second deal before he hit free agency? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: But we don’t know what the tax implications were, we know the White Sox are willing to look at things like option years and say “we offered more money” - AND regardless, would the White Sox have extended him for $40 million a year on a second deal before he hit free agency? There is no ambiguity. The White Sox offered Wheeler more money. He went to the Phillies, instead. Report: Zack Wheeler turned down more money from White Sox to sign with Phillies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 At the end of the day, their largest contract is still 5/$75. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 48 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: At the end of the day, their largest contract is still 5/$75. If they get serious about winning in 2-3 years, they're going to have to sign multiple guys to contracts that will break that record. There is simply no way to compete in free agency of they don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: But we don’t know what the tax implications were, we know the White Sox are willing to look at things like option years and say “we offered more money” - AND regardless, would the White Sox have extended him for $40 million a year on a second deal before he hit free agency? How does this conflict with the notion Jerry believes there are players worth $100M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 56 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: At the end of the day, their largest contract is still 5/$75. Which is an absolute embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: There is no ambiguity. The White Sox offered Wheeler more money. He went to the Phillies, instead. Report: Zack Wheeler turned down more money from White Sox to sign with Phillies Oh there's no ambiguity. Who are the sources that told the athletic this? If there's no ambiguity then clearly you know that and can obviously tell me it, to clear that up. It's not listed in the article, so to me there seems to be ambiguity. Who are the sources who said that? Better not be Rick Hahn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Oh there's no ambiguity. Who are the sources that told the athletic this? If there's no ambiguity then clearly you know that and can obviously tell me it, to clear that up. It's not listed in the article, so to me there seems to be ambiguity. Who are the sources who said that? Better not be Rick Hahn. What I want to know is — even if the Sox had the highest offer, did Hahn ever ask Wheeler how much more money it would take for Wheeler to choose Chicago over Philly? Cuz they sure didn’t do any better when they pivoted to Keuchel. They had to eat the money for the last year of his contract anyways. Edited February 16 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 50 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Oh there's no ambiguity. Who are the sources that told the athletic this? If there's no ambiguity then clearly you know that and can obviously tell me it, to clear that up. It's not listed in the article, so to me there seems to be ambiguity. Who are the sources who said that? Better not be Rick Hahn. Are you this interested in sources when it's a story that would be "negative" towards the White Sox? Jeez. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 7 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Are you this interested in sources when it's a story that would be "negative" towards the White Sox? Jeez. Having a story about a guy saying “Yeah … I’ll take less money to play elsewhere” is not really a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 58 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Oh there's no ambiguity. Who are the sources that told the athletic this? If there's no ambiguity then clearly you know that and can obviously tell me it, to clear that up. It's not listed in the article, so to me there seems to be ambiguity. Who are the sources who said that? Better not be Rick Hahn. Here's Zach Wheeler talking about it with AJ Pierzynski. You guys keep talking about threads being ruined with the same argument over and over. Stop ruining them. Accept reality, and move on. Zack Wheeler explained why he chose the Phillies over the White Sox, even though Chicago offered more money. "It's all about family and being comfortable with where you're going to be playing over the next 5 years."https://t.co/sjOyOfctrc pic.twitter.com/loN39sCc5W — Foul Territory (@FoulTerritoryTV) June 21, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 20 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: What I want to know is — even if the Sox had the highest offer, did Hahn ever ask Wheeler how much more money it would take for Wheeler to choose Chicago over Philly? Cuz they sure didn’t do any better when they pivoted to Keuchel. They had to eat the money for the last year of his contract anyways. Why do you think he didn't? He wanted to play in Philadelphia. Throwing extra money and years at players to make them come here is how we have Benintendi with his great contract. How's that working out for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 26 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said: Having a story about a guy saying “Yeah … I’ll take less money to play elsewhere” is not really a positive. I guess I meant it was positive in a way that they actually had the highest bid on it. Also think it was entirely his wife not wanting to live in Chicago, if I remember correctly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 9 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: I guess I meant it was positive in a way that they actually had the highest bid on it. Also think it was entirely his wife not wanting to live in Chicago, if I remember correctly. These guys will do or say anything just to not admit their inane narrative is BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: These guys will do or say anything just to not admit their inane narrative is BS. 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: These guys will do or say anything just to not admit their inane narrative is BS. How ironic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 12 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: How ironic. Irony has nothing to do with this. I literally posted a video of Wheeler talking about taking less money from the Phillies. Then 3 or 4 of you guys just keep posting deflecting drive bys that have nothing to do with anything. I look forward to this exact argument happening again in two weeks when the same people will dig in and try to qualify their wrong statements. And really, Dick. I'm pretty quick to admit to being wrong when shown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 30 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Irony has nothing to do with this. I literally posted a video of Wheeler talking about taking less money from the Phillies. Then 3 or 4 of you guys just keep posting deflecting drive bys that have nothing to do with anything. I look forward to this exact argument happening again in two weeks when the same people will dig in and try to qualify their wrong statements. And really, Dick. I'm pretty quick to admit to being wrong when shown. No you didn’t. You posted a video of Wheeler saying they were looking at houses in a number of places and the money was “close”. AJ Pierzybski said that he took less money. Wheeler said the money was close. At no point does he say yes the White Sox bid more, nor does he say it was significantly different. He is much more careful in his language than you are, which you won’t pay attention to because he doesn’t confirm Hahn’s story. This could literally have been the Phillies with an offer that was more after taxes and that interview is accurate. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 30 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Irony has nothing to do with this. I literally posted a video of Wheeler talking about taking less money from the Phillies. Then 3 or 4 of you guys just keep posting deflecting drive bys that have nothing to do with anything. I look forward to this exact argument happening again in two weeks when the same people will dig in and try to qualify their wrong statements. And really, Dick. I'm pretty quick to admit to being wrong when shown. LMAO. You have issues with people complaining and not trusting a team that has lost 222 games the last 2 years. You do it almost every post. You’ve been far more wrong than right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: No you didn’t. You posted a video of Wheeler saying they were looking at houses in a number of places and the money was “close”. AJ Pierzybski said that he took less money. Wheeler said the money was close. At no point does he say yes the White Sox bid more, nor does he say it was significantly different. He is much more careful in his language than you are, which you won’t pay attention to because he doesn’t confirm Hahn’s story. This could literally have been the Phillies with an offer that was more after taxes and that interview is accurate. AJ Pierzynski tells him, "You took less money", and Wheeler doesn't correct him. It's really weird that you think Rick Hahn has this power over all of humanity to turn us all into zombie slaves and parrot his narrative. Here's another news story where Wheeler says he took less money: Phillies, Zack Wheeler discussing contract extension – NBC Sports Philadelphia Quote Wheeler made clear that he wants to be paid what he's worth but also said money isn't the only factor involved in his decision, referencing his taking less to sign with the Phillies than the White Sox were offering in 2019. "It's not all about the money to me," he said. "I took less to come here and be in a good spot and be happy here and my family be happy. I do want what I feel like I've earned, but at the same time, you don't always get that. It's about everybody being happy at the same time. You don't want to be miserable and be paid a lot. You want to be happy and get paid what you earned." Edited February 16 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: LMAO. You have issues with people complaining and not trusting a team that has lost 222 games the last 2 years. You do it almost every post. You’ve been far more wrong than right. You have issues understanding English sentences as they're written. I don't care if you trust the Sox or not. I have told you numerous times to please criticize Getz and the Sox. I want you to do that. Do you understand that sentence? Criticize the White Sox as often as you can. You picking on your own interpretation of me liking a player on the sox isn't criticizing or not trusting the White Sox. It's you having issues with people NOT complaining about and trusting the team. Edited February 16 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, FloydBannister1983 said: Having a story about a guy saying “Yeah … I’ll take less money to play elsewhere” is not really a positive. The thing is that Rick Hahn would actually have wanted that leaked because people would bring that up for years to prove they were real players for a free agent, after the Machado fiasco. And look what happens, it’s repeated forever based solely on an anonymous leak, which totally didn’t come from Rick Hahn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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