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Tuesday - 2/25/25 - Sox at Rox spring training


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1 hour ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Solid 2IP for the Dart. Gave up a double, but nothing else. 2K on 18 pitches, including 7 changeups.

Hard hit 109mph single to lead off the 3rd for Korey Lee, who then stole 2B.

Seems like some of these changeups were miscategorized sinkers. New pitch for Martin.

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14 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

Feel like Martin could turn himself into a nice little trade chip with a strong first half. Lots of cheap team control.

No no no....unless you get something better back.

He has to cover innings if they hold Big 3 back.

Trade Wilson Perez first.

We don't know Thorpe's status yet either.  Iriarte and Carela aren't big league starters.  Bush out.

Do we really want to watch Nastrini or Clevinger?

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8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

No no no....unless you get something better back.

He has to cover innings if they hold Big 3 back.

Trade Wilson Perez first.

We don't know Thorpe's status yet either.  Iriarte and Carela aren't big league starters.  Bush out.

Do we really want to watch Nastrini or Clevinger?

This season is a wash anyway. If Martin has a good first half or season and some team offers a promising hitter for him, they should at least consider it.

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7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

No no no....unless you get something better back.

He has to cover innings if they hold Big 3 back.

Trade Wilson Perez first.

We don't know Thorpe's status yet either.  Iriarte and Carela aren't big league starters.  Bush out.

Do we really want to watch Nastrini or Clevinger?

This team is so far away from being good again that everyone with any value at all that isn't one of your top prospects should be traded as soon as it presents itself. Yes, I will gladly watch Natrini and Clevinger if it means Davis Martin brought back something that will be useful in a few years.

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5 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

This season is a wash anyway. If Martin has a good first half or season and some team offers a promising hitter for him, they should at least consider it.

We don't even know if we can count on Cannon to repeat yet though.

Martin could definitely be more valuable to the Orioles though.

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6 minutes ago, T R U said:

This team is so far away from being good again that everyone with any value at all that isn't one of your top prospects should be traded as soon as it presents itself. Yes, I will gladly watch Natrini and Clevinger if it means Davis Martin brought back something that will be useful in a few years.

Cannon too?

He's likely another 4-5 guy.

Burke only one who could be 2-3 guy at his best.

Other than Big 3.

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I'm old and have seen a lot of spring training baseball that doesn't mean jack s%*#. But this team is getting ass blasted for a reason. We could be worse than last year in all honesty. The SP will be horrific, and for most of last year it was simply mediocre to bad.

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5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I'm old and have seen a lot of spring training baseball that doesn't mean jack s%*#. But this team is getting ass blasted for a reason. We could be worse than last year in all honesty. The SP will be horrific, and for most of last year it was simply mediocre to bad.

Iriarte is the best hope for next wave???...good luck with that.

Really need Thorpe or it's already a struggle on the depth chart.

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Do we have to do this thing where we pretend not to understand that process > results in spring?

Process: Colson punishes a low fastball.

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Result: Inning ending out for a hitless day.

Which piece is more predictive? 

You can have a bad process and get bad results, like the 2024 Sox. You can also have a good process and still get bad results, like the Dodgers 1-4 spring record this year. The Rockies had a .586 win% in spring last year, and then had a 101 loss season. 

The process is the informative piece rather than the record itself. The Sox being bad at both doesn't magically make the record matter. I don't care about Cactus League standings, I care about the process improving.

But of course, everyone here knows that already, because none of you would be infused with optimism by a bunch of spring wins driven by errors from opposing AA defenders or lighting up camp invite reclamation projects (though, of course, when OUR #96 filler from the backfields gets lit up, it's totally predictive of the season to come...)

Judge the process. Or don't, I admit that it's a pain with inconsistent broadcasts and data. But then also don't be a spring training box score watcher declaring that you know they'll be bad because Colson went 0-3 and a pitcher working on a new FB shape gave up contact that got misplayed into runs by a MiLB deal guy who won't make the team.

So much server space here is wasted performatively complaining about silly fake things when there are actual real things to complain about and it makes it so discouraging to try to have actual baseball conversations.

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6 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Do we have to do this thing where we pretend not to understand that process > results in spring?

Process: Colson punishes a low fastball.

GkqftZdawAA8TY9?format=png&name=small

Result: Inning ending out for a hitless day.

Which piece is more predictive? 

You can have a bad process and get bad results, like the 2024 Sox. You can also have a good process and still get bad results, like the Dodgers 1-4 spring record this year. The Rockies had a .586 win% in spring last year, and then had a 101 loss season. 

The process is the informative piece rather than the record itself. The Sox being bad at both doesn't magically make the record matter. I don't care about Cactus League standings, I care about the process improving.

But of course, everyone here knows that already, because none of you would be infused with optimism by a bunch of spring wins driven by errors from opposing AA defenders or lighting up camp invite reclamation projects (though, of course, when OUR #96 filler from the backfields gets lit up, it's totally predictive of the season to come...)

Judge the process. Or don't, I admit that it's a pain with inconsistent broadcasts and data. But then also don't be a spring training box score watcher declaring that you know they'll be bad because Colson went 0-3 and a pitcher working on a new FB shape gave up contact that got misplayed into runs by a MiLB deal guy who won't make the team.

So much server space here is wasted performatively complaining about silly fake things when there are actual real things to complain about and it makes it so discouraging to try to have actual baseball conversations.

This post makes more sense for any Dodgers fans bitching about their 1-4 start.

Death, taxes, and the optimistic people shitting on everyone who is pissed off about this organization. Never fails.

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15 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Do we have to do this thing where we pretend not to understand that process > results in spring?

Process: Colson punishes a low fastball.

GkqftZdawAA8TY9?format=png&name=small

Result: Inning ending out for a hitless day.

Which piece is more predictive? 

You can have a bad process and get bad results, like the 2024 Sox. You can also have a good process and still get bad results, like the Dodgers 1-4 spring record this year. The Rockies had a .586 win% in spring last year, and then had a 101 loss season. 

The process is the informative piece rather than the record itself. The Sox being bad at both doesn't magically make the record matter. I don't care about Cactus League standings, I care about the process improving.

But of course, everyone here knows that already, because none of you would be infused with optimism by a bunch of spring wins driven by errors from opposing AA defenders or lighting up camp invite reclamation projects (though, of course, when OUR #96 filler from the backfields gets lit up, it's totally predictive of the season to come...)

Judge the process. Or don't, I admit that it's a pain with inconsistent broadcasts and data. But then also don't be a spring training box score watcher declaring that you know they'll be bad because Colson went 0-3 and a pitcher working on a new FB shape gave up contact that got misplayed into runs by a MiLB deal guy who won't make the team.

So much server space here is wasted performatively complaining about silly fake things when there are actual real things to complain about and it makes it so discouraging to try to have actual baseball conversations.

Can we at least not pretend that most of these concerns aren't directly due to either previous concerns over a particular player, or the fact that this was literally the worst team in the history of MLB, and people don't need to be gaslit for remember that?

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8 minutes ago, T R U said:

This post makes more sense for any Dodgers fans bitching about their 1-4 start.

Death, taxes, and the optimistic people shitting on everyone who is pissed off about this organization. Never fails.

I'm not even pissed off anymore. We got a clearer picture of the future with ownership. Just sit back and wait for it to unfold. What else is there to do? 

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