3/14 - Reds @ Sox 3:05 CDT - spring training, whitesox.com streaming

[ptatc]

50 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Exactly.

Another one bites the dust.

Dodgers don't look so stupid now do they signing all those pitchers? 

That's what they do. With by buying everything, especially ones that are injury prone that others won't take a chance on for the high cost.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

That's what they do. With by buying everything, especially ones that are injury prone that others won't take a chance on for the high cost.

Well the Rays can't or couldn't afford to take those chances with Glasnow looking at his career lack of availability/IP totals.

That works out fine when they are only planning to use guys like Ohtani and Kershaw for partial seasons.

For example, Yamamoto only pitched 90 innings but was available in the post season when they most needed him.

Blake Snell looks great on paper but is lucky to get through five innings most starts.

Edited March 15 by caulfield12

[GreenSox]

I figure Dalbec is just occupying innings.  The important guys are getting  enough work.  Spring training is too long.

As for Vaughn, just pray he has a few good months; if he does, we can get something for him.

 

[caulfield12]

52 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

I figure Dalbec is just occupying innings.  The important guys are getting  enough work.  Spring training is too long.

As for Vaughn, just pray he has a few good months; if he does, we can get something for him.

 

With the way the roster's set up now...maybe Vaughn gets you closer to 110 than 121 losses again.

He's pretty reliably average.

Vargas looked hopeless last year, but now is showing some signs with his strength gain and increasing comfort with the team.

At any rate, Vaughn is clearly not part of their next playoff team and is blocking the likes of Vargas Sosa Elko and Ramos from getting more opportunities.

[WestEddy]

3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Exactly.

Another one bites the dust.

Dodgers don't look so stupid now do they signing all those pitchers? 

And the Sox don't look so stupid, bringing in all the higher level arms, and drafting Hagen Smith. Teams need arms. Good of you to notice the Sox are at the forefront of developing pitchers. Thank you Jerry Reinsdorf and Chris Getz!!

[caulfield12]

25 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And the Sox don't look so stupid, bringing in all the higher level arms, and drafting Hagen Smith. Teams need arms. Good of you to notice the Sox are at the forefront of developing pitchers. Thank you Jerry Reinsdorf and Chris Getz!!

They still have to prove they can be healthy and productive major leaguers before congratulating anyone just yet.

The jury's far from out on Caglianone vs. Hagen Smith.

At some point, the offense will need to be able to score more than 2-3 runs once the regular season begins.

[southsider2k5]

42 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And the Sox don't look so stupid, bringing in all the higher level arms, and drafting Hagen Smith. Teams need arms. Good of you to notice the Sox are at the forefront of developing pitchers. Thank you Jerry Reinsdorf and Chris Getz!!

One minute we don't have enough jobs for everyone,  the next they are geniuses for bringing in these guys.  That's wild 

[caulfield12]

16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

One minute we don't have enough jobs for everyone,  the next they are geniuses for bringing in these guys.  That's wild 

It also doesn't do much good when they can't afford to keep any of their pitchers long-term.

Not to mention the premium in the sport is still on up the middle position prospects (see Anthony Campbell Mayer). 

Which is looking even more questionable with Colson's physical issues.

 

[nrockway]

5 hours ago, ptatc said:

That's what they do. With by buying everything, especially ones that are injury prone that others won't take a chance on for the high cost.

Sox signed a bunch of pitchers and I wrote comments, like, “why we have plenty”. Good idea in retrospect  

 

I also think if you’re a pitcher on the cusp, you’re better off signing with the Sox than the dodgers. Nobody talks about how the dodgers can’t produce a pitching staff except with $$$$. Why can’t they develop their own? You have kershaw, an old man who the gm can’t take credit for, and Urias who has correctly been canceled from Major League Baseball. 

Edited March 15 by nrockway

[chitownsportsfan]

4 hours ago, GreenSox said:

I figure Dalbec is just occupying innings.  The important guys are getting  enough work.  Spring training is too long.

As for Vaughn, just pray he has a few good months; if he does, we can get something for him.

 

I think it's better now than it used to be honestly. First three weeks are basically just for the young guys and then the last two are basically just ok time to get semi serious. Prior to like 2018 or so you still had teams pretending vets needed spring as some sort of tune up, at least now they've realized you want to get the youth the majority of the action and the vets are just there to get conditioned and ready to play the marathon of 162.

I like that MLB has moved the season up to start last week of March. With global warming you're going to have more and more warmish periods in late March anyways. Yea you'll have more cold snaps but overall it will favor earlier starts and the northern teams will have on average better crowds. Of course if I was emperor king I'd go to 152 games given the new playoff structure (which is fine) and end the season Oct 28th or so, but that's never going to happen. MLB is now a sport that will run into the meat of CFB season and NFL for better or worse.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, nrockway said:

Sox signed a bunch of pitchers and I wrote comments, like, “why we have plenty”. Good idea in retrospect  

 

I also think if you’re a pitcher on the cusp, you’re better off signing with the Sox than the dodgers. Nobody talks about how the dodgers can’t produce a pitching staff except with $$$$. Why can’t they develop their own? You have kershaw, an old man who the gm can’t take credit for, and Urias who has correctly been canceled from Major League Baseball. 

Buehler was very successful...turned out much better than Carson Fulmer his Vandy teammate, but got hurt and is fighting to come back with Boston.

Dustin May had a world of potential but got hurt twice...same thing with Gonsolin.

Then this current generation of guys like Pepiot (now with Tampa) Miller and Stone have all had their ups and downs.

 

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I think it's better now than it used to be honestly. First three weeks are basically just for the young guys and then the last two are basically just ok time to get semi serious. Prior to like 2018 or so you still had teams pretending vets needed spring as some sort of tune up, at least now they've realized you want to get the youth the majority of the action and the vets are just there to get conditioned and ready to play the marathon of 162.

I like that MLB has moved the season up to start last week of March. With global warming you're going to have more and more warmish periods in late March anyways. Yea you'll have more cold snaps but overall it will favor earlier starts and the northern teams will have on average better crowds. Of course if I was emperor king I'd go to 152 games given the new playoff structure (which is fine) and end the season Oct 28th or so, but that's never going to happen. MLB is now a sport that will run into the meat of CFB season and NFL for better or worse.

154 was always the magic number of games until 8 more were added...at least you could maintain historic parallels with the Mantle/Maris and Ruth marks from previous generations.

[nrockway]

45 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Buehler was very successful...turned out much better than Carson Fulmer his Vandy teammate, but got hurt and is fighting to come back with Boston.

Dustin May had a world of potential but got hurt twice...same thing with Gonsolin.

Then this current generation of guys like Pepiot (now with Tampa) Miller and Stone have all had their ups and downs.

 

Fair point, but none of those guys is Garrett Crochet, Chris Sale, Carlos Rodon. I only pick the lefties. Buehler is close (though not left-handed....nerd), he's a nice pitcher, who hasn't had sustained success, but is clearly great. Did the Dodgers help him or did he already have it and help himself? I think the latter, but not too sure. Kershaw clearly had it. 

 

I also tend to think, with no proof, that the Sox can actually help a pitcher. Carson reminds me of Kopech, two guys that blame all their problems on somebody else. Nothing is ever their fault. Uncoachable, they weren't going to amount to anything. They are two guys who could have long MLB careers with some humility. I think the Dodgers are probably fine with paying Kopech his arbitration amount and I wish him the best...and Carson still might have a MLB career, I'm not sure, I think he pitched for the Angels last year.

May and Gonsolin are nice pitchers, I particularly like Gonsolin, but he's essentially just some guy. 99% of the reason I like him is that he's 'some guy' who has had some success. I mean he had a 5 ERA last year, Flexen status, but he seemed fairly important to the Dodgers. Not comparing him to some of the studs that have come out of our system though.

[caulfield12]

5 hours ago, nrockway said:

Fair point, but none of those guys is Garrett Crochet, Chris Sale, Carlos Rodon. I only pick the lefties. Buehler is close (though not left-handed....nerd), he's a nice pitcher, who hasn't had sustained success, but is clearly great. Did the Dodgers help him or did he already have it and help himself? I think the latter, but not too sure. Kershaw clearly had it. 

 

I also tend to think, with no proof, that the Sox can actually help a pitcher. Carson reminds me of Kopech, two guys that blame all their problems on somebody else. Nothing is ever their fault. Uncoachable, they weren't going to amount to anything. They are two guys who could have long MLB careers with some humility. I think the Dodgers are probably fine with paying Kopech his arbitration amount and I wish him the best...and Carson still might have a MLB career, I'm not sure, I think he pitched for the Angels last year.

May and Gonsolin are nice pitchers, I particularly like Gonsolin, but he's essentially just some guy. 99% of the reason I like him is that he's 'some guy' who has had some success. I mean he had a 5 ERA last year, Flexen status, but he seemed fairly important to the Dodgers. Not comparing him to some of the studs that have come out of our system though.

Wrobleski Casparius London Knack the next wave…

Gonsolin…if you go back to 2022-23 and combined years had recorded the fourth lowest BAA in the majors.

The others?  Snell is first, Glasnow 2nd and Ohtani third.

[Chicago White Sox]

Are we thinking a torn UCL for Adams?  That’s going to be super upsetting if so.

[WhiteSox2023]

10 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

One minute we don't have enough jobs for everyone,  the next they are geniuses for bringing in these guys.  That's wild 

Just changing the narrative as we go to fit the Sox and their always evolving shitty situation.  This rebuild is going south already.  Maybe the third time will be the charm?

Edited March 15 by WhiteSox2023

[ptatc]

36 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Just changing the narrative as we go to fit the Sox and their always evolving shitty situation.  This rebuild is going south already.  Maybe the third time will be the charm?

Going south? I think the prospects are looking pretty good.

[Bob Sacamano]

21 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Going south? I think the prospects are looking pretty good.

A lot of nice arms. Need the bats to catch up.

[ptatc]

7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

A lot of nice arms. Need the bats to catch up.

I thought quero and Teel looked good. Pitching is ahead of the hitting. Pitching is the base of a good team with the number of injuries throughout the league.

[Bob Sacamano]

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

I thought quero and Teel looked good. Pitching is ahead of the hitting. Pitching is the base of a good team with the number of injuries throughout the league.

I’m most excited about the catchers, outside of the pitching.

[ptatc]

13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I’m most excited about the catchers, outside of the pitching.

Agreed. It's a building block. 

[chitownsportsfan]

Personally I think Kopech has too much self awareness for an athlete, certainly for a baseball player. That and I think his lower body injuries were pretty bad and affected his entire delivery. Give me the meat heads that don't think usually.