Middle Buffalo Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Lance Lynn - the right handed David Wells. How ‘bout you get yourself in shape before the season? That said, he did have a few great moments and is likely 100% correct to criticize this dogsh*t organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 11 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Ok, 2027 then. Got it. I’ll check back in with you in a couple years. Maybe you'll have an answer to my question by 2027. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 25 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: With the almost sure thing that the owners are going to lock out the players and perhaps gut the 2027 season 2028 may be a better guess. By the way saw a story today which said owners are contemplating asking for a salary cap and a salary floor for the next negotiations. MLBPA is saying a salary cap simply will not fly. IMO, I've been locked out of watchable baseball from my favorite team for what is now the 3rd straight season. I'm not losing too much sleep over what 2027 might bring. That being said, it does look like a huge collision is coming after the end of next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: When do we start reaping the rewards of said changes?? Exactly. Hard to give him credit yet when all he’s done is do exactly what he should be doing: his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 38 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Ok, 2027 then. Got it. I’ll check back in with you in a couple years. Free reign for Getz to have three putrid losing seasons in a row. And if prospects get injured, he will blame that and delay the timeline for winning yet again. Edited April 11 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Serious question. When does @WestEddy start holding Getz accountable? If they’re still losing 100+ games in 2027 will you still be optimistic about all the organizational changes Getz made and want to give him more time? When Chris Getz is gone and we are all told that everything was his fault, and now the FNGM can do no wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 26 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Free reign for Getz to have three putrid losing seasons in a row. And if prospects get injured, he will blame that and delay the timeline for winning yet again. Still waiting for you to name one GM who had no losing seasons while completely overhauling the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 18 hours ago, nrockway said: He may be right, he just sounds like a spurned ex-girlfriend. Get over it, Lance. Some people have the mind to shut up about it when asked (Giolito). Don't hear Cease running his mouth either. It would be more meaningful if players who were still any good were talking. Uh, I don't think Lance comes off as the spurned one in this scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, Middle Buffalo said: Lance Lynn - the right handed David Wells. How ‘bout you get yourself in shape before the season? That said, he did have a few great moments and is likely 100% correct to criticize this dogsh*t organization. Like that CC dude who seemed to pitch forever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 19 hours ago, nrockway said: He may be right, he just sounds like a spurned ex-girlfriend. Get over it, Lance. Some people have the mind to shut up about it when asked (Giolito). Don't hear Cease running his mouth either. It would be more meaningful if players who were still any good were talking. Yeah, but Gio and Dylan are still major league players. They can't really afford to bad mouth other teams. Lynn is retired. I also don't find any fault with what he said. He doesn't sound like he had any angst, he was just stating his observations and lived experiences. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 We have two choices when this happens. We can shoot the messenger or the organization can look inward and do better. Who am I kidding? The White Sox shoot the messenger, and then have one of their minions write a puff piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: Still waiting for you to name one GM who had no losing seasons while completely overhauling the organization. Still waiting for you to name another GM that set the loss record, has a chance to set it again in consecutive seasons, and still has a job. Edited April 11 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 40 minutes ago, Ducksnort said: Yeah, but Gio and Dylan are still major league players. They can't really afford to bad mouth other teams. Lynn is retired. I also don't find any fault with what he said. He doesn't sound like he had any angst, he was just stating his observations and lived experiences. I just can't wrap my head around the physiology of a White Sox fan "upset" by these comments. He was literally asked to talk about each place he pitched, and to speak on the differences between what he experienced with each organization. He gave his honest opinion. Isn't that what we ask of players? Would White Sox fans preferred he flat out lie and say "The White Sox were wonderful, just a way better organization than the Dodgers, Yankees and Cardinals in my experience." Are you are saying you want to be lied to to feel better about the team that you root for? You just can't handle or wrap you head around the idea that the Chicago White Sox don't offer players the best tools and resources, or they don't have the same standards as the Dodgers or Yankees? Even after watching this team go 104-232 in their last 336 games? I don't get it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Tony said: I just can't wrap my head around the physiology of a White Sox fan "upset" by these comments. He was literally asked to talk about each place he pitched, and to speak on the differences between what he experienced with each organization. He gave his honest opinion. Isn't that what we ask of players? Would White Sox fans preferred he flat out lie and say "The White Sox were wonderful, just a way better organization than the Dodgers, Yankees and Cardinals in my experience." Are you are saying you want to be lied to to feel better about the team that you root for? You just can't handle or wrap you head around the idea that the Chicago White Sox don't offer players the best tools and resources, or they don't have the same standards as the Dodgers or Yankees? Even after watching this team go 104-232 in their last 336 games? I don't get it. Well, some are equating it to his performance, which doesn’t make sense. Many Sox players suck, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t see the organizational dysfunction with their own eyes and can’t speak to it. The rest seem to be upset about his comments due to the recency of him playing for the Sox, but the guy just announced his retirement so he doesn’t give a F, nor should he. Word of the organization’s dysfunction has been shared by AJP over the last couple years so this should be no surprise. And of course some people choose to bash AJP because of it as well. Edited April 11 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 13 minutes ago, Tony said: I just can't wrap my head around the physiology of a White Sox fan "upset" by these comments. He was literally asked to talk about each place he pitched, and to speak on the differences between what he experienced with each organization. He gave his honest opinion. Isn't that what we ask of players? Would White Sox fans preferred he flat out lie and say "The White Sox were wonderful, just a way better organization than the Dodgers, Yankees and Cardinals in my experience." Are you are saying you want to be lied to to feel better about the team that you root for? You just can't handle or wrap you head around the idea that the Chicago White Sox don't offer players the best tools and resources, or they don't have the same standards as the Dodgers or Yankees? Even after watching this team go 104-232 in their last 336 games? I don't get it. It's funny that we as fans spend most of our time here shitting on the sox and their incompetence. Yet when someone directly involved with the team was asked about it and gave an honest answer, we take offense because he was bad and/or fat when he last played for the team. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 I’m not upset with Lynn. I said, he’s most likely 100% correct. It would have been nice if he seemed prepared to pitch his last few seasons. At this point, I don’t think any player would sign with the Sox if given a viable alternative. There are probably 4 or 5 places where a player might say, “well, at least I’ll be in Chicago.” I’m tired of “rooting” for this team. I have the free MLB app on my phone and tv and can watch the Sox at will, and it’s not easy to force myself to do it. It would be nice if we had a glimmer of hope. Not while JR is at the helm. He’s always had disdain for the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Cease talks to Paul Sullivan: https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/04/11/chicago-white-sox-garrett-crochet-returns/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 "It seems like there are some teams willing to do almost anything and some teams that don’t want to do (as much),” Cease said. “I don’t know all the financials, which teams are run well and which ones aren’t. “But for me, personally, I have nothing against teams that go all-in all the time. I don’t think there is any negative to that. At least other teams keep their star players." Dylan...a Boras client, being about as nice as he possibly can be in this situation. The truth is not hard to discover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 14 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: "It seems like there are some teams willing to do almost anything and some teams that don’t want to do (as much),” Cease said. “I don’t know all the financials, which teams are run well and which ones aren’t. “But for me, personally, I have nothing against teams that go all-in all the time. I don’t think there is any negative to that. At least other teams keep their star players." Dylan...a Boras client, being about as nice as he possibly can be in this situation. The truth is not hard to discover. Haha, jeez Dylan, you may as well name the team at that point. We all know who you are talking about. Edited April 11 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Haha, jeez Dylan, you may as well name the team at that point. We all know who you are talking about. He's almost more defending the Dodgers (and Padres) for spending "too much" or trying too hard to win...a lot like what Bryce Harper said recently, especially as it pertains to LAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 59 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: "It seems like there are some teams willing to do almost anything and some teams that don’t want to do (as much),” Cease said. “I don’t know all the financials, which teams are run well and which ones aren’t. “But for me, personally, I have nothing against teams that go all-in all the time. I don’t think there is any negative to that. At least other teams keep their star players." Dylan...a Boras client, being about as nice as he possibly can be in this situation. The truth is not hard to discover. The best the White Sox could do in response to these comments would be to send a message out that looks something like this: "In light of recent comments that have been both directly and indirectly aimed at our organization, we openly acknowledge that we've made a lot of mistakes, and we are actively trying to correct them through reasons x, y, z. We understand that words are simply not enough and we ultimately need results." Something like that we go a LONG way. But they are too damn prideful to do anything remotely like that. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 16 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Still waiting for you to name another GM that set the loss record, has a chance to set it again in consecutive seasons, and still has a job. The loss record has been set 6 times over the years. What is the difference between Dombrowski losing 119 games and Getz losing 121? Or Al Avila losing 114? Both Dombrowski and Avila kept their jobs for a while afterwards. Jeff Luhnow took over the Astros with one year less of front office experience than Getz had. Those Astros teams became an internet meme with their incompetence. It's a rebuild. The team is going to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: The loss record has been set 6 times over the years. What is the difference between Dombrowski losing 119 games and Getz losing 121? Or Al Avila losing 114? Both Dombrowski and Avila kept their jobs for a while afterwards. Jeff Luhnow took over the Astros with one year less of front office experience than Getz had. Those Astros teams became an internet meme with their incompetence. It's a rebuild. The team is going to lose. Two losses, which is the difference between breaking and not breaking the modern-day loss record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 48 minutes ago, Milkman delivers said: Two losses, which is the difference between breaking and not breaking the modern-day loss record. So what? I feel bad for the dudes who take on actual embarrassment over that record. A 119-loss team isn't demonstrably "better" than a 121-loss team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 45 minutes ago, WestEddy said: So what? I feel bad for the dudes who take on actual embarrassment over that record. A 119-loss team isn't demonstrably "better" than a 121-loss team. You can't demonstrate that 2 more wins is better? Seems like your have your own embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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