GreenSox Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 48 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Utility infielders that have a higher fWAR than Luis Robert this season. As does Tyrone Taylor, the CF he would presumably replace. I know it won't be a ton. But the Sox are already loaded with likely utility infielders, AAAA outfielders, and Rule 5 guys. Much prefer some A Ball lottery tickets. There were overpays at the deadline last year for players having poor seasons with nowhere near his upside (although mostly on the pitching side). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchatRisktoZisk Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 9 hours ago, WestEddy said: Ouchy knee. They're giving him and Vargas (ouchy calf) a couple days off around the off day tomorrow to get them right. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 6 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Utility infielders that have a higher fWAR than Luis Robert this season. Well thankfully trades are only based on the fWAR of players for like 40 games and nothing else. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 The Mets' minor leagues also offer an abundance of options, though none of the players are ready now. MLB Pipeline lists nine players in the Mets’ top 30 who can play outfield, from Jett Williams (No. 2) and Ryan Clifford (No. 4), whose primary positions are in the infield, to Drew Gilbert (No. 10) and speedster Nick Morabito (No. 17). None of those players are ready now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 7 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Well thankfully trades are only based on the fWAR of players for like 40 games and nothing else. Well, you’re right, I bet Robert’s $15M salary and $2M buyout will be a factor as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 50 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Well, you’re right, I bet Robert’s $15M salary and $2M buyout will be a factor as well. Add on the injury history (I mean, the man has missed the last couple of games). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: Add on the injury history (I mean, the man has missed the last couple of games). Right. Many here think I’m only negative with Robert but if you put yourself in another team’s shoes what’s there to like with this profile? If you can somehow revert him back to his 2023 form sure it’s worth the risk but how many contenders are looking for an oft-injured, underperforming reclamation project that’s being compensated handsomely over the next 2.5 seasons (if they even pick up the options)? I’m sure they’d take him but they aren’t giving up much in return imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 15 hours ago, GreenSox said: As does Tyrone Taylor, the CF he would presumably replace. I know it won't be a ton. But the Sox are already loaded with likely utility infielders, AAAA outfielders, and Rule 5 guys. Much prefer some A Ball lottery tickets. There were overpays at the deadline last year for players having poor seasons with nowhere near his upside (although mostly on the pitching side). I’d prefer lower level lottery tickets too. My only point is the Sox will be lucky to get players of the same caliber in return as Acuna and Baty but maybe they’ll get lucky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) 11 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Right. Many here think I’m only negative with Robert but if you put yourself in another team’s shoes what’s there to like with this profile? If you can somehow revert him back to his 2023 form sure it’s worth the risk but how many contenders are looking for an oft-injured, underperforming reclamation project that’s being compensated handsomely over the next 2.5 seasons (if they even pick up the options)? I’m sure they’d take him but they aren’t giving up much in return imo. Right. I think teams will definitely be interested but the Sox, overall, fumbled this. If only Hahn could have traded him 2 years ago when he traded like 8 other players at that deadline. Edit: I remember seeing the Sox asking price as "moon high" or "shooting for the moon." Forgot exactly what phrase was being thrown around but "moon" was definitely part of what the description for what they were asking for. Edited May 12 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Right. I think teams will definitely be interested but the Sox, overall, fumbled this. If only Hahn could have traded him 2 years ago when he traded like 8 other players at that deadline. That was the time to trade him. After his 2023 career year and after the Sox already traded everything else of value outside of Crochet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 15 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Right. Many here think I’m only negative with Robert but if you put yourself in another team’s shoes what’s there to like with this profile? If you can somehow revert him back to his 2023 form sure it’s worth the risk but how many contenders are looking for an oft-injured, underperforming reclamation project that’s being compensated handsomely over the next 2.5 seasons (if they even pick up the options)? I’m sure they’d take him but they aren’t giving up much in return imo. It is a superstar ceiling. You can't teach that. A lot of teams have to be better that their internal support and staff is way better than what the White Sox have got, and it looks like teams are out there strongly looking at bringing Robert in. We keep talking about $15 million, but when the top of the line guys are getting $50 million plus a year, having three years locked down for that per annum may well appeal to someone who thinks they can reach him. It's not a lot to the type of crowd who could really use a Robert. The Mets sneeze away $15 million for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Right. I think teams will definitely be interested but the Sox, overall, fumbled this. If only Hahn could have traded him 2 years ago when he traded like 8 other players at that deadline. Edit: I remember seeing the Sox asking price as "moon high" or "shooting for the moon." Forgot exactly what phrase was being thrown around but "moon" was definitely part of what the description for what they were asking for. Two years ago was Getz over that winter. If he had really come in and seen a LONG rebuild in place, not trading Luis the winter of 23/24 was his worst piece of negligence to this date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Two years ago was Getz over that winter. If he had really come in and seen a LONG rebuild in place, not trading Luis the winter of 23/24 was his worst piece of negligence to this date. I’m talking about the 2023 trade deadline, not the offseason. Edited May 12 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It is a superstar ceiling. You can't teach that. A lot of teams have to be better that their internal support and staff is way better than what the White Sox have got, and it looks like teams are out there strongly looking at bringing Robert in. We keep talking about $15 million, but when the top of the line guys are getting $50 million plus a year, having three years locked down for that per annum may well appeal to someone who thinks they can reach him. It's not a lot to the type of crowd who could really use a Robert. The Mets sneeze away $15 million for nothing. This is his 6th year in the league and he’s made one all star appearance. He turns 28 this summer. At some point people need to stop pretending this guy is trout 2.0 and just call it like it is. Moncada and Eloy had “superstar ceilings” too but sometimes the talent level just doesn’t live up to its billing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 7 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: This is his 6th year in the league and he’s made one all star appearance. He turns 28 this summer. At some point people need to stop pretending this guy is trout 2.0 and just call it like it is. Moncada and Eloy had “superstar ceilings” too but sometimes the talent level just doesn’t live up to its billing. He has a superstar season very recently. That's more than either of the other guys can say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I’m talking about the 2023 trade deadline, not the offseason. At the TDL those guys thought they had the winter for figuring out where the team was, before Getz slit their throats and took the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: At the TDL those guys thought they had the winter for figuring out where the team was, before Getz slit their throats and took the job. Fair enough. Still, that offseason then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: He has a superstar season very recently. That's more than either of the other guys can say. This is essentially the Moncada argument from a couple years ago. Many were still saying he had superstar potential and he had a great season a couple years prior to that but it was clear he was no longer that player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 20 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: This is essentially the Moncada argument from a couple years ago. Many were still saying he had superstar potential and he had a great season a couple years prior to that but it was clear he was no longer that player. We know. Some guys do, and some guys don't. That's where we are now because Getz didn't sell at his peak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 wRC+ back down to 71 and sitting at an even 0.0 fWAR. We’re almost two months into the season and he’s got a little over two months to get hot if there’s any hope of a decent trade return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 On 5/12/2025 at 1:18 PM, southsider2k5 said: Two years ago was Getz over that winter. If he had really come in and seen a LONG rebuild in place, not trading Luis the winter of 23/24 was his worst piece of negligence to this date. There was zero reason to not deal him after 2023 especially when you know you are about to nuke your roster and start from ground zero. There is no reason to continue to roster a superstar caliber player on a 110+ loss team for several seasons. All I can remember about this was the handful of posters who were adamant that you couldn't trade him because he had 3+ years of control and was so valuable you would never get what he's worth. Well, that worked out great didn't it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Robert's base stealing has improved dramatically, although that may be in part due to the Sox having him steal more. Imagine if he could get hit like he did in 2023. His OBP is okay, considering his low BA, and he's certainly taking more walks this year. I just don't know what's wrong with his hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Robert will be like a Kikuchi situation. The swing data and defense/speed metrics looks good, so teams these days are so high tech they wont be bothered by the lack of production. last year Fedde was production and Kikuchi was data, and we saw what won. On top of that Robert is a position player. Those dont become available. So i could see a (low) Top 100 prospect coming this way. Once there are a few bidders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Scorched two balls yesterday that both turned into outs...as long as he hits the ball more frequently things will even out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 2-3 so far. Didn’t see his 3 hits but were they hard hit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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