https://twinstrivia.com/2025/04/05/mlb-teams-revenue-versus-payroll/

White Sox in 29th for revenue as well as for payroll versus revenue (29th again) over the Marlins

Jerry's boys do not have the highest payroll, but they continue to show progress by staying in games and playing good sound baseball.  They found a starting catcher in Teel after only one game in the majors and now they may have found a Closer after one inning throwing 101mph.  OK, the W/L record for the first 2 months  sunk the season but now this team is fun to watch.  

 

10 hours ago, kitekrazy said:

I wish I could believe that but I don't. He's the 2nd guy in charge

Yea man we hear him all the time speaking on all of this.  Spot on

10 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:

There is no proof of that. 

These are the current memes:

1) The presentation of any previous reporting of organizational hires that didn't result in multiple championships is evidence that any current hires will result in 20 more years of losing. 
2) The fact that TLR and JR are still alive means that any positive developments will always be reversed and defunded. 
3) Any front office personnel hired in the last 40 years who remain employed with the Sox is definitive evidence that any negative argument is factually true. 
4) Every injury in the Sox organization is indicative of a failed approach over 50 years to sports medicine. 
5) Anecdotal evidence of failure is unimpeachable. Data showing progression are surely all lies delivered by the lapdog media to maintain access. 

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

These are the current memes:

1) The presentation of any previous reporting of organizational hires that didn't result in multiple championships is evidence that any current hires will result in 20 more years of losing. 
2) The fact that TLR and JR are still alive means that any positive developments will always be reversed and defunded. 
3) Any front office personnel hired in the last 40 years who remain employed with the Sox is definitive evidence that any negative argument is factually true. 
4) Every injury in the Sox organization is indicative of a failed approach over 50 years to sports medicine. 
5) Anecdotal evidence of failure is unimpeachable. Data showing progression are surely all lies delivered by the lapdog media to maintain access. 

I just think you should stop keeping track of this.  Just let it go and move on.  It doesn’t matter 

12 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

There are some here that really need to read this story and stop with the "Sox are moving to Nashville..." nonsense.

Yep, it makes no sense that a local billionaire who is building a $70M mansion here would buy the team only to move it to Nashville.  And the Orlando talk is even bigger nonsense.  

Interesting that Greenberg thinks the most likely outcome is for Ishbia to keep the Sox at their current location and develop the area around the stadium.  That's very possible.  It'll be very interesting to see how this all plays out over the next few years.    But even if they stay at the current location, I cannot imagine that a new owner would pay $2B for the franchise only to keep the current arrangement of acres of parking lots around the current park without much else to do.  

 

They have rehabbed/remodeled the cell a few times, I have to think that would be a preferred option for him instead of all the BS he has been going through trying to trick the state into paying the bill.  I have to wonder if Jerry’s want to move has to do with something underlying that he is aware of and wants no part of repairing

27 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

They have rehabbed/remodeled the cell a few times, I have to think that would be a preferred option for him instead of all the BS he has been going through trying to trick the state into paying the bill.  I have to wonder if Jerry’s want to move has to do with something underlying that he is aware of and wants no part of repairing

Hopefully it would be a pretty drastic one. I’d want it to feel new. 

7 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

They have rehabbed/remodeled the cell a few times, I have to think that would be a preferred option for him instead of all the BS he has been going through trying to trick the state into paying the bill.  I have to wonder if Jerry’s want to move has to do with something underlying that he is aware of and wants no part of repairing

A dome would make it weatherproof.  

28 minutes ago, poppysox said:

A dome would make it weatherproof.  

lol I don’t think a retrofit dome is in the plans

26 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

lol I don’t think a retrofit dome is in the plans

I don't think it is either...but it should be.

18 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

https://twinstrivia.com/2025/04/05/mlb-teams-revenue-versus-payroll/

White Sox in 29th for revenue as well as for payroll versus revenue (29th again) over the Marlins

Can't spend 50 cents when all you got is one thin dime. 

39 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

lol I don’t think a retrofit dome is in the plans

Worrying about the ballyard is like missing the father you never had. Call me when the next park is ready to open. They have a decent park but are over run by nitwits

9 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:

Hopefully it would be a pretty drastic one. I’d want it to feel new. 

Agreed.  If Ishbia keeps the Sox at the Rate long-term, I'd be surprised if he'd settle for just minor tweaks to the current park and with leaving the area around the park pretty much the same.  That's not exactly a good way to try to claw back all that market share that Jerry pissed away over the last 44 years. 

And I know some will say that all the Sox need to do is field a winning team and people will show up.  But winning multiple pennants is easier said than done and championship cores are very fleeting when you do finally get one.  

3 hours ago, poppysox said:

I don't think it is either...but it should be.

Extremely expensive to try to do and the response would be if you are going to spend that amount of money to try to do something like that, just build a brand new stadium. 

On 6/11/2025 at 6:21 PM, poppysox said:

A dome would make it weatherproof.  

 

On 6/11/2025 at 10:06 PM, Lip Man 1 said:

Extremely expensive to try to do and the response would be if you are going to spend that amount of money to try to do something like that, just build a brand new stadium. 

While it would be nice in the first 6 weeks of the season (and on rainy days throughout the season), it's probably not worth the extra cost.  There are only 2 retractable roof ballparks in cold weather climates:  Toronto and Milwaukee.  I suppose you could say 3 if you include Seattle, but that roof is only for rain and that park is not climate controlled.  

On the other hand, all sun belt teams except the California teams and Atlanta have a retractable or fixed roof.  It is clear that most northern cities have decided they're better off with a totally open air stadium - either for costs or aesthetics....or both.  I don't know how other retractable roof ballparks are, but I've been to the one in Arizona, and it feels like your seeing a ballgame inside a "building" than a ballpark.  IMO, it lacks the charm of may open air ballparks. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/tampa-bay-rays-sale-reportedly-expected-to-be-completed-by-september-for-17-billion-213630838.html
 

Rays just jumped up to a $1.7 billion valuation playing in a minor league stadium…

24 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/tampa-bay-rays-sale-reportedly-expected-to-be-completed-by-september-for-17-billion-213630838.html
 

Rays just jumped up to a $1.7 billion valuation playing in a minor league stadium…

Do you think that the stadium that they are playing in factored into that valuation 

15 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Do you think that the stadium that they are playing in factored into that valuation 

Nope…inflation in the billionaires’ club.

Remember Ishbia passing on the Twins at $1.4-1.5 billion (plus extreme debt load) and the Wolves’ owner trying to bail out of his deal with Lore and A-Rod when the valuation changed so dramatically in less than one calendar year…?

Edited July 15, 2025Jul 15 by caulfield12

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/tampa-bay-rays-sale-reportedly-expected-to-be-completed-by-september-for-17-billion-213630838.html
 

Rays just jumped up to a $1.7 billion valuation playing in a minor league stadium…

 

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Nope…inflation in the billionaires’ club.

Remember Ishbia passing on the Twins at $1.4-1.5 billion (plus extreme debt load) and the Wolves’ owner trying to bail out of his deal with Lore and A-Rod when the valuation changed so dramatically in less than one calendar year…?

The article says the Rays were valued at $1.25B in March.  Quite a jump for a franchise whose stadium situation is a total mess.  Plus, whoever buys them is going to have to pay up a huge chunk of money towards a new stadium somewhere.    The Orioles were sold last year for $1.7B and their stadium is beloved and isn't going anywhere.  But there are only so many teams to buy for billionaires who want to join the exclusive club of MLB ownership.  

I wonder if Reinsdorf and Ishbia have a price locked in place (with adjustments for inflation) for purchase of the Sox.  I would have to think so, otherwise franchise price could really skyrocket by 2034 (the first year Ishbia has the option to buy).  

28 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

 

The article says the Rays were valued at $1.25B in March.  Quite a jump for a franchise whose stadium situation is a total mess.  Plus, whoever buys them is going to have to pay up a huge chunk of money towards a new stadium somewhere.    The Orioles were sold last year for $1.7B and their stadium is beloved and isn't going anywhere.  But there are only so many teams to buy for billionaires who want to join the exclusive club of MLB ownership.  

I wonder if Reinsdorf and Ishbia have a price locked in place (with adjustments for inflation) for purchase of the Sox.  I would have to think so, otherwise franchise price could really skyrocket by 2034 (the first year Ishbia has the option to buy).  

Thought it was 2029.

New ownership apparently wants to keep them in Tampa/St. Pete.

17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Thought it was 2029.

New ownership apparently wants to keep them in Tampa/St. Pete.

2029 is the first year JR has the option to sell to Ishbia. Basically he has said that unless something happens he intends to ruin this franchise for another four years. 

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Thought it was 2029.

New ownership apparently wants to keep them in Tampa/St. Pete.

Reinsdorf has the option to sell beginning in 2029 but then in 2034, it's Ishbia who can exercise the option to buy.  So, Jerry could drag this out until 2034 if he wanted to....assuming he lives to age 98.

Edited July 15, 2025Jul 15 by 77 Hitmen

7 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/tampa-bay-rays-sale-reportedly-expected-to-be-completed-by-september-for-17-billion-213630838.html
 

Rays just jumped up to a $1.7 billion valuation playing in a minor league stadium…

 

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Thought it was 2029.

New ownership apparently wants to keep them in Tampa/St. Pete.

I missed that part in the article.  But, I'm confused about this statement:

According to The Athletic, Zalupski is expected to keep the team in the Tampa Bay area, and he has a “strong preference” to remain in Tampa rather than move to St. Petersburg.

What does that last part mean?  The team is already in St. Pete.  At any rate, isn't the old stadium deal dead?  So, Zalupski would have to work out a new stadium deal even if they're staying in the Tampa Bay area.  

 

3 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Reinsdorf has the option to sell beginning in 2029 but then in 2034, it's Ishbia who can exercise the option to buy.  So, Jerry could drag this out until 2034 if he wanted to....assuming he lives to age 98.

I wouldn't rule that out...........