First half analysis...

[southsider2k5]

23 minutes ago, almagest said:

Certainly doesn't seem that way to me - how many times have you told people they must be absolving Chris Getz of any blame because they think Hahn and KW mismanaged this franchise into oblivion?

As you talk about people treating you like you are stupid in another thread,  you are literally here making stuff up.  No one has ever said this is all the fault just Getz and JR.  No one.  This little move of the goalposts still doesn't change that.  

[almagest]

42 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

As you talk about people treating you like you are stupid in another thread,  you are literally here making stuff up.  No one has ever said this is all the fault just Getz and JR.  No one.  This little move of the goalposts still doesn't change that.  

Oh, come on man. I'm not going to go crawling through your posting history, but I remember PLENTY of cases where you were shitting on Getz and talking about how people want to blame anyone but him. You've also been one of the most consistent people doing this on any post with any level of positivity about things he's been doing, to the point where you've had major clashes with a number of posters here and have even earned yourself post stalkers.

Its this continual misrepresentation of people who are trying to find positives in this awful period of Sox baseball that leads to most of the frustration and fighting that's been around here since last season.

I'm sure you're a good dude and you've been a huge part in what has been the best place to discuss the Sox on the internet, but you have to understand how frustrating this is for people who have a different opinion than you.

[T R U]

5 minutes ago, almagest said:

Oh, come on man. I'm not going to go crawling through your posting history, but I remember PLENTY of cases where you were shitting on Getz and talking about how people want to blame anyone but him. You've also been one of the most consistent people doing this on any post with any level of positivity about things he's been doing, to the point where you've had major clashes with a number of posters here and have even earned yourself post stalkers.

Its this continual misrepresentation of people who are trying to find positives in this awful period of Sox baseball that leads to most of the frustration and fighting that's been around here since last season.

I'm sure you're a good dude and you've been a huge part in what has been the best place to discuss the Sox on the internet, but you have to understand how frustrating this is for people who have a different opinion than you.

See, now this I have seen and its because there are select people who try to say Getz actually was handed this mess when in reality he was part of the problem and should have been cast off with everyone else when the old regime got purged. 

[southsider2k5]

8 minutes ago, almagest said:

Oh, come on man. I'm not going to go crawling through your posting history, but I remember PLENTY of cases where you were shitting on Getz and talking about how people want to blame anyone but him. You've also been one of the most consistent people doing this on any post with any level of positivity about things he's been doing, to the point where you've had major clashes with a number of posters here and have even earned yourself post stalkers.

Its this continual misrepresentation of people who are trying to find positives in this awful period of Sox baseball that leads to most of the frustration and fighting that's been around here since last season.

I'm sure you're a good dude and you've been a huge part in what has been the best place to discuss the Sox on the internet, but you have to understand how frustrating this is for people who have a different opinion than you.

And again, none of this actually states that I, or anyone else, has ever blamed JUST Getz and JR.  This still is not true.  It is frustrating when people who don't agree with you just literally make s%*# up.

[almagest]

43 minutes ago, T R U said:

See, now this I have seen and its because there are select people who try to say Getz actually was handed this mess when in reality he was part of the problem and should have been cast off with everyone else when the old regime got purged. 

I don't think anyone here would rather have Getz as GM than literally anyone else qualified. He should have been purged. But he wasn't, so the hope people have is that he knows or can figure out what he's doing.

[almagest]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

And again, none of this actually states that I, or anyone else, has ever blamed JUST Getz and JR.  This still is not true.  It is frustrating when people who don't agree with you just literally make s%*# up.

I have seen Hahn dodge a LOT of responsibility around here. He's got nicknames like "Teflon Hahn" for a reason. I also know you've said things about how Hahn gets the majority of the blame around here, too, as though you think he shouldn't.

I'm also not making anything up, so you can quit that inflammatory nonsense now. This is how people with different opinions than you view what you post. Go ahead and ask them. There's a reason why you are the only person here who keeps getting into it like this with people.

 

[southsider2k5]

13 minutes ago, almagest said:

I have seen Hahn dodge a LOT of responsibility around here. He's got nicknames like "Teflon Hahn" for a reason. I also know you've said things about how Hahn gets the majority of the blame around here, too, as though you think he shouldn't.

I'm also not making anything up, so you can quit that inflammatory nonsense now. This is how people with different opinions than you view what you post. Go ahead and ask them. There's a reason why you are the only person here who keeps getting into it like this with people.

 

Again, that is NOT the same thing as ONLY GETZ AND JR ARE TO BLAME.  You can feel anything you want, or read into it whatever you like but there is not a single post of mine that states only those two are to blame.  Gaslight me personally all you like, but all of the non sequitors in the world still do not make your original statement true.  Find a post that actually states it, or give it up.

If you would actually like to walk away from this, please do, and we can pretend it never happened, and instead get back to a decent conversation.

[champagne030]

1 hour ago, almagest said:

Oh, come on man. I'm not going to go crawling through your posting history, but I remember PLENTY of cases where you were shitting on Getz and talking about how people want to blame anyone but him. You've also been one of the most consistent people doing this on any post with any level of positivity about things he's been doing, to the point where you've had major clashes with a number of posters here and have even earned yourself post stalkers.

Its this continual misrepresentation of people who are trying to find positives in this awful period of Sox baseball that leads to most of the frustration and fighting that's been around here since last season.

I'm sure you're a good dude and you've been a huge part in what has been the best place to discuss the Sox on the internet, but you have to understand how frustrating this is for people who have a different opinion than you.

This is bullshit!  Getz needs to be s%*# on.  He was a huge part of the problem.  Nobody is saying it was only him and JR that created this mess.  They ALL were involved.  The problem is people saying Getz had NO involvement and was in no way culpable and needs to be given a lot more rope to fix something that wasn't his doing.

[almagest]

8 minutes ago, champagne030 said:

This is bullshit!  Getz needs to be s%*# on.  He was a huge part of the problem.  Nobody is saying it was only him and JR that created this mess.  They ALL were involved.  The problem is people saying Getz had NO involvement and was in no way culpable and needs to be given a lot more rope to fix something that wasn't his doing.

No they are not. No one says that Getz had no involvement. That's impossible - he ran minor league development and was assistant GM. What people are saying is that since we heard he was the one to go over Hahn's head to Jerry and kick this whole process off, that its possible he was also held back by this shitty org and got frustrated enough by it to take action. We're also hoping he can show a glimmer of knowing what the hell he's doing so this thing can turn around. That is by no means absolving him of any blame. The majority of the blame should lie with Hahn, Kenny and JR, though, as they were the ones in charge.

[almagest]

21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Again, that is NOT the same thing as ONLY GETZ AND JR ARE TO BLAME.  You can feel anything you want, or read into it whatever you like but there is not a single post of mine that states only those two are to blame.  Gaslight me personally all you like, but all of the non sequitors in the world still do not make your original statement true.  Find a post that actually states it, or give it up.

If you would actually like to walk away from this, please do, and we can pretend it never happened, and instead get back to a decent conversation.

Ok, cool. I struck through the word "only" in the post.

[T R U]

3 hours ago, almagest said:

I don't think anyone here would rather have Getz as GM than literally anyone else qualified. He should have been purged. But he wasn't, so the hope people have is that he knows or can figure out what he's doing.

And that’s fine, but the point was there is literally no one saying Getz and JR get all blame and KW and Hahn get none. 

[almagest]

43 minutes ago, T R U said:

And that’s fine, but the point was there is literally no one saying Getz and JR get all blame and KW and Hahn get none. 

I commented on this right above your post. The word "only" is gone.

[Tony]

2 hours ago, almagest said:

No they are not. No one says that Getz had no involvement. That's impossible - he ran minor league development and was assistant GM. What people are saying is that since we heard he was the one to go over Hahn's head to Jerry and kick this whole process off, that its possible he was also held back by this shitty org and got frustrated enough by it to take action. We're also hoping he can show a glimmer of knowing what the hell he's doing so this thing can turn around. That is by no means absolving him of any blame. The majority of the blame should lie with Hahn, Kenny and JR, though, as they were the ones in charge.

After reading comments the last two years, I think most here are basically on the same page, the difference comes down one thing:

Faith

The results speak for themselves. Because Jerry made Getz the choice to run things, a “clean slate” was never possible, because of his involvement with the previous regime. That shouldn’t have come as a surprise to Getz either. Additionally, while everyone involved with this team the last two decades should wear their failures, Jerry is the boss. Jerry is the one who kept Hahn and KW 10 years too long, Jerry is the one who refuses to sign top tier players, Jerry is the one who refuses to adapt to baseball in 2025, Jerry is the one who decided Getz was the most qualified the run baseball ops. It’s been bad decision after bad decision.

So when it comes to the topic of the performance of Chris Getz as President of Baseball Ops, it boils down to what level of faith you have in the decision making of Jerry Reinsdorf. I’ve made my feelings known on the subject many times, but my faith in Jerry on a scale of 1-100 is about -8 right now. Doesn’t mean Getz is absolutely going to fail, but my level of skepticism is extremely high based on Jerry thinking he was qualified to do the job. From a baseball perspective, Jerry Reinsdorf is objectively an awful decision maker. 

[almagest]

16 minutes ago, Tony said:

After reading comments the last two years, I think most here are basically on the same page, the difference comes down one thing:

Faith

The results speak for themselves. Because Jerry made Getz the choice to run things, a “clean slate” was never possible, because of his involvement with the previous regime. That shouldn’t have come as a surprise to Getz either. Additionally, while everyone involved with this team the last two decades should wear their failures, Jerry is the boss. Jerry is the one who kept Hahn and KW 10 years too long, Jerry is the one who refuses to sign top tier players, Jerry is the one who refuses to adapt to baseball in 2025, Jerry is the one who decided Getz was the most qualified the run baseball ops. It’s been bad decision after bad decision.

So when it comes to the topic of the performance of Chris Getz as President of Baseball Ops, it boils down to what level of faith you have in the decision making of Jerry Reinsdorf. I’ve made my feelings known on the subject many times, but my faith in Jerry on a scale of 1-100 is about -8 right now. Doesn’t mean Getz is absolutely going to fail, but my level of skepticism is extremely high based on Jerry thinking he was qualified to do the job. From a baseball perspective, Jerry Reinsdorf is objectively an awful decision maker. 

I wouldn’t say I have faith in Reinsdorf, but you’re not too far off. I have hope that enough can be done in spite of his vampiric presence to put this franchise in a position to be successful once he finally dies or sells the team.

[southsider2k5]

21 minutes ago, Tony said:

After reading comments the last two years, I think most here are basically on the same page, the difference comes down one thing:

Faith

The results speak for themselves. Because Jerry made Getz the choice to run things, a “clean slate” was never possible, because of his involvement with the previous regime. That shouldn’t have come as a surprise to Getz either. Additionally, while everyone involved with this team the last two decades should wear their failures, Jerry is the boss. Jerry is the one who kept Hahn and KW 10 years too long, Jerry is the one who refuses to sign top tier players, Jerry is the one who refuses to adapt to baseball in 2025, Jerry is the one who decided Getz was the most qualified the run baseball ops. It’s been bad decision after bad decision.

So when it comes to the topic of the performance of Chris Getz as President of Baseball Ops, it boils down to what level of faith you have in the decision making of Jerry Reinsdorf. I’ve made my feelings known on the subject many times, but my faith in Jerry on a scale of 1-100 is about -8 right now. Doesn’t mean Getz is absolutely going to fail, but my level of skepticism is extremely high based on Jerry thinking he was qualified to do the job. From a baseball perspective, Jerry Reinsdorf is objectively an awful decision maker. 

Yes.  Literally no matter what level of belief, or not, you have in Getz, or anyone else in this organization,  he has the anchor of Jerry around his neck.  While the former crew was all pretty awful at their jobs by the end, so many problems were created by the boss. Most notably the signings Jerry won’t allow, and inserting himself into daily operations by insisting on Tony instead of a real manager.  Even the Getz hire was because he had Jerry’s ear and filled him with what he wanted to hear.  If you are going to succeed as an org you find good people and let them do their jobs.  Considering Tony is still roaming the system,  does it sound like that is happening?  Eh.  With many of the same oddities around roster management and line up construction looking identical to the previous regime,  I am sure not convinced Chris even has control.

[Tony]

15 minutes ago, almagest said:

I wouldn’t say I have faith in Reinsdorf, but you’re not too far off. I have hope that enough can be done in spite of his vampiric presence to put this franchise in a position to be successful once he finally dies or sells the team.

The day he goes, unless another Reinsdorf takes over, my outlook will dramatically change. If it's Ishbia, I'll come in with a hopeful view, because there isn't much historical evidence (at this point at least, I know with the way the possible ownership change is structured, we may find out about his potential spending habits before he's officially owner) and I just don't see how things can get worse under him, from where they are today. 

For a lot of us, Jerry Reinsdorf is the only owner we've experienced as White Sox fans. When he's gone, everything changes. Doesn't mean everything is going to get better, but the only way this franchise truly changes is by cutting off the head of the snake. 

[kitekrazy]

14 hours ago, WBWSF said:

 Some of the things done by Getz  has baffled me. I don't know how he can justify keeping Baldwin and Elko in the minors but yet keep  Capra and Noda on the team. Some of this just hasn't worked out. I don't think anybody saw the career of Robert Jr collapse, They were counting on Colson Montgomery being a core piece. That hasn't happened and he appears to be a lost cause. It seems like the only offensive player in the minors who Getz values is Braden Montgomery and I think he doesn't figure into their 2026 plans. There have been reports ( Bruce Levine) that the team is going to spend some money on offense this off season. We shall see.

I think the team is on every decent player's blacklist.  Sure you will get older veterans where this is the only option than playing in the minors.  Then their biggest hope is they get traded to a contender in a exchange for a for pretender. 

The only one that wins the trade is the player leaving. 

The are buyer and there are cellars - see my play on words there. 

[WBWSF]

21 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

It's Bruce Levine remember, take anything he says with a large bag of salt.

With the almost certain lockout coming shortly after the end of the 2026 season and the impact it could have on the 2027 year, I don't expect JR to do anything this upcoming off season. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he ordered Getz to cut payroll yet again. 

This team can't hit. Last night they had the bases loaded twice with only one out and couldn't score. That has been the story  in 2024 and this season. They don't have  any hitters at triple AAA who evidently can help them. Although both Baldwin and Elko are hitting  well but obviously don't figure in the teams plans. The only way this team will get better offensively is if they sign some free agents who can hit. If they don't 2026 is going to be another lost season. The thing that disturbs me is that this losing doesn't seem to bother JR. He seems content with this situation.

[The Mighty Mite]

1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

This team can't hit. Last night they had the bases loaded twice with only one out and couldn't score. That has been the story  in 2024 and this season. They don't have  any hitters at triple AAA who evidently can help them. Although both Baldwin and Elko are hitting  well but obviously don't figure in the teams plans. The only way this team will get better offensively is if they sign some free agents who can hit. If they don't 2026 is going to be another lost season. The thing that disturbs me is that this losing doesn't seem to bother JR. He seems content with this situation.

Our outfield has been a major problem with everyone underperforming except for Benintendi who isn’t exactly another Carl Yastrzemski.
With the bases loaded twice last night all we needed were 2 measly singles and we win the game.   
I’m actually feeling pretty good with the pitching staff and the infield (except for 1B) along with the catching. If Vargas is put at 1B regularly that’s good but then we need a third baseman, it would be great if somehow Colson put everything together and he could handle 3B, he had a good game last night and hopefully the start of something good. BTW Elko had another good game, he has to better than Noda.

 

 

Edited June 28 by The Mighty Mite

[Chicago White Sox]

One thing worth mentioning, but the Sox will need to spend some real money to add impact talent and fill other holes in the lineup with competent players.  IMO, we probably need to add two high-end power bats via free agency to have any real chance of forming an above average lineup anytime soon.  Braden Montgomery is the only prospect I feel good about becoming a legit middle of the lineup hitter at the moment.  Bonemer looks like he has a chance to be a high impact player, but he’s still got a long ways to go and I need to see a bit more before I start pegging him into our near-term plans.  Regardless, I feel like 1B and the OF are where we will need outside additions and those are areas where I’m optimistic we can find the money to do so.  Will help if Ishbia coming on board creates a greater sense of urgency to spend though, as I do worry some that Jerry will naturally cower in the wake of a looming baseball stoppage.

[WestEddy]

19 hours ago, almagest said:

No they are not. No one says that Getz had no involvement. That's impossible - he ran minor league development and was assistant GM. What people are saying is that since we heard he was the one to go over Hahn's head to Jerry and kick this whole process off, that its possible he was also held back by this shitty org and got frustrated enough by it to take action. We're also hoping he can show a glimmer of knowing what the hell he's doing so this thing can turn around. That is by no means absolving him of any blame. The majority of the blame should lie with Hahn, Kenny and JR, though, as they were the ones in charge.

I don't know. If Getz was scheming enough to get JR to cut bait on KW and Hahn, exile TLR to North Carolina scouting A-ball, clean house and launch a full-on rebuild, I'm not sure how that's a bad thing. Apparently, it is. 

[Lip Man 1]

4 hours ago, WBWSF said:

This team can't hit. Last night they had the bases loaded twice with only one out and couldn't score. That has been the story  in 2024 and this season. They don't have  any hitters at triple AAA who evidently can help them. Although both Baldwin and Elko are hitting  well but obviously don't figure in the teams plans. The only way this team will get better offensively is if they sign some free agents who can hit. If they don't 2026 is going to be another lost season. The thing that disturbs me is that this losing doesn't seem to bother JR. He seems content with this situation.

There is no "if" about it. 2026 is going to be another 100+ loss campaign. Accept that reality now and it will make things easier for you moving forward. 

[Chicago White Sox]

24 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

There is no "if" about it. 2026 is going to be another 100+ loss campaign. Accept that reality now and it will make things easier for you moving forward. 

Bad…yes.  Another 100+ season?  Way to say that with any level of certainty.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

I certainly wish I could have the positive outlook that some here have. 

Not sure how people do it, but more power to them. This is the lowest moment in this orgs 120+ year history, in my opinion. People might argue the blacksox scandal, but when we're here celebrating Edgar quero and his -.1 fWAR, idk what to say.

[Chicago White Sox]

8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I certainly wish I could have the positive outlook that some here have. 

Not sure how people do it, but more power to them. This is the lowest moment in this orgs 120+ year history, in my opinion. People might argue the blacksox scandal, but when we're here celebrating Edgar quero and his -.1 fWAR, idk what to say.

Who is celebrating Edgar Quero’s -0.1 fWAR?