7/13 - half season finale - Guards @ Sox (Cantillo contro Civale) 1:10pm CDT

[Jake]

12 minutes ago, nrockway said:

I think he's good at his current job but his voice is a little grating to me. He sounds like if the Marlboro Man decided he was a Valley Girl. Which is an awesome plot for either a John Waters movie or a cigarette advertisement, but that's beside the point, somebody give the guy a cough drop and maybe make him cognizant of the vocal fry. 

I was wondering where Schriffen was. I think it's funny that Benetti would take the day off to go work his second job as Sunday night NFL broadcaster whereas Schriffen is playing hooky to go moonlight at the NBA summer league, must-see TV. I assumed he was "sick" (hungover) and getting an early start on his vacation. That would've been awesome. I guess Schriff gets to be in Vegas and he seems like a gambling addict, so maybe he picked this assignment specifically. 

Benetti's speaking voice is like having Nolan Ryan's fastball. Just have to have a half-decent head on your shoulders and you've got a broadcasting career in the bag. Schriffen's voice is 92mph with a little bit of run. McKnight is 89mph and dead straight.

[TheBooneLoganEra]

23 minutes ago, fathom said:

Exactly

I dont understand so much of what this organization tries to do.  

[fathom]

8 minutes ago, TheBooneLoganEra said:

I dont understand so much of what this organization tries to do.  

No one does.  The losing and mediocre development isn’t a coincidence 

Edited July 13 by fathom

[Jake]

Well folks, Emmanuel Clase has a career 1.83 ERA. He's hard to hit, especially when you stink. Sox countered with Brandon Eisert, who got squared up twice and one of the two proved decisive.

[chitownsportsfan]

Losing ass team loses another wow what a story we have here 

[GreenSox]

What a crap game to lose.

[Lip Man 1]

Another extra inning loss, another one-run loss. Typical. 

Enjoy the break everyone, we can all use some relief from this garbage baseball. 

[wegner]

Who's excited for the Draft? I'm sure they won't f*** that up too.

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

A slightly better Sox team is looking at sweeping the Guards today. 

Or a Sox team with a slightly better GM and manager.

[Lip Man 1]

White Sox are now 8-22 in one-run games.

Laughable bordering on abysmal. 

[Lip Man 1]

9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Or a Sox team with a slightly better GM and manager.

Or a team with an owner who still gives a damn and demands competency.  

[Lip Man 1]

Small consolation I guess but the Rockies broke the White Sox record for the most losses in MLB history before the All-Star break.

They've now lost 74 times, the Sox last year lost 71 times before the break.

 

[chitownsportsfan]

9 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Small consolation I guess but the Rockies broke the White Sox record for the most losses in MLB history before the All-Star break.

They've now lost 74 times, the Sox last year lost 71 times before the break.

 

JR has his cigar out on that news.

[southsider2k5]

48 minutes ago, fathom said:

No one does.  The losing and mediocre development isn’t a coincidence 

A few try.

[kitekrazy]

21 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Small consolation I guess but the Rockies broke the White Sox record for the most losses in MLB history before the All-Star break.

They've now lost 74 times, the Sox last year lost 71 times before the break.

 

If the Sox were in the NL that's probably what their record would be,

[southsider2k5]

9 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

If the Sox were in the NL that's probably what their record would be,

Or not a Central division. 

[GreenSox]

35 minutes ago, wegner said:

Who's excited for the Draft? I'm sure they won't f*** that up too.

they're really good at finding ways.

[WestEddy]

36 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

White Sox are now 8-22 in one-run games.

Laughable bordering on abysmal. 

4-2 in their last 6. They're a rebuilding team. This is what "learning in the big leagues" looks like. 

[Lip Man 1]

28 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

4-2 in their last 6. They're a rebuilding team. This is what "learning in the big leagues" looks like. 

Anything you say except for the fact that a great number of players on the roster aren't exactly kids are they?

This dysfunctional organization seems to be in "perpetual rebuild" as one of the columnists wrote today. 

11 of the 26 man roster for today are 30 or over in age, that's 42%.

If you go by the 40 man roster 18 of the 40 are 30 or older that's 45%

Part of this could be because the minor league system isn't that great overall and they just need warm bodies, if that's the case that's another indictment isn't it?

But we'll see what happens, I expect another "rebuilding" 100+ loss season next year as well and then a long lock out.

[WestEddy]

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Anything you say except for the fact that a great number of players on the roster aren't exactly kids are they?

This dysfunctional organization seems to be in "perpetual rebuild" as one of the columnists wrote today. 

11 of the 26 man roster for today are 30 or over in age, that's 42%.

If you go by the 40 man roster 18 of the 40 are 30 or older that's 45%

Part of this could be because the minor league system isn't that great overall and they just need warm bodies, if that's the case that's another indictment isn't it?

But we'll see what happens, I expect another "rebuilding" 100+ loss season next year as well and then a long lock out.

5 position players, 3/4 rotation starters and 5 bullpen arms have under 2 years experience. That's about half the team. So I'm not sure where you're going with that. Half of the big league team is still learning on the job. 

Their minor league system has been ranked, what, 8-15 in different listicles? 

I'm sure anything anybody could argue is another "indictment" if you twist yourself into a pretzel. 

[Lip Man 1]

12 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

5 position players, 3/4 rotation starters and 5 bullpen arms have under 2 years experience. That's about half the team. So I'm not sure where you're going with that. Half of the big league team is still learning on the job. 

Their minor league system has been ranked, what, 8-15 in different listicles? 

I'm sure anything anybody could argue is another "indictment" if you twist yourself into a pretzel. 

West: I guess we'll have to see how long this current rebuild lasts and if it turns out to be any better than the others.

If JR is still around I have serious doubts it will accomplish much of anything. 

But again, we'll see.

I would be curious though, this is year two of a full on rebuild. How long before you personally would expect things to turn around?

Four years,,,six? Longer.

I'm asking for a number. When does West expect this franchise to become competitive again and if they don't hit your target date what will your reaction be?

Let's go on the record here.

[WestEddy]

11 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

West: I guess we'll have to see how long this current rebuild lasts and if it turns out to be any better than the others.

If JR is still around I have serious doubts it will accomplish much of anything. 

But again, we'll see.

I would be curious though, this is year two of a full on rebuild. How long before you personally would expect things to turn around?

Four years,,,six? Longer.

I'm asking for a number. When does West expect this franchise to become competitive again and if they don't hit your target date what will your reaction be?

Let's go on the record here.

"Competitive"? 2027. If they're not? I'll blame you. 

It's a sport that I follow. I've done so all my life. I'm not sure what you're expecting me to do. I've grown up. Yeah, I get angry when they lose but being angry and positive isn't really allowed here. 

[southsider2k5]

42 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

5 position players, 3/4 rotation starters and 5 bullpen arms have under 2 years experience. That's about half the team. So I'm not sure where you're going with that. Half of the big league team is still learning on the job. 

Their minor league system has been ranked, what, 8-15 in different listicles? 

I'm sure anything anybody could argue is another "indictment" if you twist yourself into a pretzel. 

The problem is most of teams we are chasing are in front of us on said lists.

[greg775]

2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

This dysfunctional organization seems to be in "perpetual rebuild" as one of the columnists wrote today. 

Many people on here think greg is a baseball dumb, jerk. Yet a columnist wrote this today?? What has my main point/criticism ad nauseum the past 5 years? This!!! This perpetual rebuild is/was unnecessary as other teams in our division have proven by having contending records almost every year.

[Lip Man 1]

35 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

"Competitive"? 2027. If they're not? I'll blame you. 

It's a sport that I follow. I've done so all my life. I'm not sure what you're expecting me to do. I've grown up. Yeah, I get angry when they lose but being angry and positive isn't really allowed here. 

Well thanks for not answering my reasonable question but tell you what, I will go on the record and here is what I think is going to happen with this 'rebuild" over the next few years:

2025 season (year two of the rebuild): The Sox lose 100+ games for the third consecutive season. The marks the first time in the 125 year history of the franchise that will have happened.

2025 off season: Because of the almost guaranteed upcoming labor impasse JR is going to order his organization to be "fiscally responsible" again and could even order another team payroll reduction. Getz can only sign some bottom of the barrel retreads to fill out the roster and hope that the multitude of his TJS pitchers can return and put up decent numbers. 

2026 season (year three of the rebuild): The White Sox lose 100+ games for the fourth straight season. 

2026 off season: The owners lock out the players seriously impacting the 2027 campaign.

2027 season (year four of the rebuild): Eventually a new CBA is agreed to and the season resumes. But because of the financial austerity by the Sox over the previous several years and the lack of talent they have another losing year. Notice I didn't say they'd lose 100 or more games because we don't even know if they will play 100 games.

2027 off season and 2028: Who knows? It all depends on one thing and one thing only, is JR still around in charge?

Hell I may not even be around in three years...I'm being serious, in which case I guess it won't matter at least to me anymore. 

But the box score from the latest rebuild, should what I think come to pass, is that after four years it will have accomplished very little to move this franchise back to being at least competitive and no longer a laughing stock. This rebuild could take six or eight years given that Ishbia is probably going to fire everyone and have to start from scratch when he takes over. I guess that would make a third rebuild? 😉

In fact you could make the case the second rebuild was an even bigger failure than the first one under Hahn because at least they won a division title.

That's all I've got.