soxfan49 Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 18 minutes ago, tray said: LOL. You must be a corporate attorney to make such a statement and/or have different information than was disclosed about the transition period described by Reinsdorf himself. Reinsdorf effectively ceded control of the organization to Ishbia by granting him an exclusive right to purchase a controlling stock interest at either a date certain (when he passes away) or in the near future. Also mentioned in that announcement was that Ishbia would be free to invest in the organization beginning this year. So again...where is Ishbia? Should Sox fans be concerned that he is rethinking his option and will pull out just like he did on his investment in the Twins? On one hand you're arguing that Ishbia has power "now" and on the other you're saying maybe he's not in control and maybe we should be worried, so which is it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 11 minutes ago, tray said: I'm not questioning that he had a press release affirming the agreement when it was announced. So what? What has he done since then? Reportedly attend a game? Big deal. Has he invested one additional dime in the organization since then? I don't see this as a time to lay back and wait for Jerry to pass at some point in the future while the organization devolves but it is beginning to look like that is how this transition will be handled. It’s very strange how you cast more blame at the feet of the new Sox owner before he has even officially taken over than you have at Jerry who has failed for the majority of 40+ years. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 21 minutes ago, tray said: LOL. Jerry is merely a 90 year old figurehead that has ceded future control to Ishbia. You want to blame JR ....except for the 90's Bulls, the '83 WSox, the 2005 World Series. Bad timing for you on the 20 year WS reunion week. I was referring to the Sox, not the Bulls, even though they haven’t been much better. And if you think one WS in 44 years is a good thing, well, I don’t know what to say to you. You managed to name two positive Sox events in 44 years of Jerry’s ownership of the team. And bad timing? The reunion is for something that happened 20 years ago. 🤣 Edited July 13 by WhiteSox2023 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 16 minutes ago, tray said: LOL. Jerry is merely a 90 year old figurehead that has ceded future control to Ishbia. You want to blame JR ....except for the 90's Bulls, the '83 WSox, the 2005 World Series. Bad timing for you on the 20 year WS reunion week. You might want to re read the press release. JR has ceded no power and won’t per the release for at least 5 years. 8 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 18 minutes ago, tray said: LOL. Jerry is merely a 90 year old figurehead that has ceded future control to Ishbia. You want to blame JR ....except for the 90's Bulls, the '83 WSox, the 2005 World Series. Bad timing for you on the 20 year WS reunion week. Jerry is the Trail Blazers not being stupid as s%*# and taking Jordan away from being the worst owner in sports history, even worse than Bill Wirtz was But hey, keep up the water carrying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: You might want to re read the press release. JR has ceded no power and won’t per the release for at least 5 years. When you for whatever strange reason want to carry water for the failure of an owner for 44+ years and instead want to blame the new guy who hasn’t even taken over yet, you simply make up stuff I guess… https://www.mlb.com/amp/press-release/press-release-white-sox-announce-long-term-ownership-investment-agreement.html Edited July 13 by WhiteSox2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 17 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: You might want to re read the press release. JR has ceded no power and won’t per the release for at least 5 years. Yes, that makes perfect sense for a Hedge Fund operator.. i.e. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/optionscontract.asp 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 You just have to hope the kids develop. They’ve all been largely disappointing so far, no power what so ever, and it’s alarming. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 49 minutes ago, tray said: LOL. You must be a corporate attorney to make such a statement and/or have different information than was disclosed about the transition period described by Reinsdorf himself. Reinsdorf effectively ceded control of the organization to Ishbia by granting him an exclusive right to purchase a controlling stock interest at either a date certain (when he passes away) or in the near future. Also mentioned in that announcement was that Ishbia would be free to invest in the organization beginning this year. So again...where is Ishbia? Should Sox fans be concerned that he is rethinking his option and will pull out just like he did on his investment in the Twins? Who is the current owner of the White Sox? The answer is Jerry Reinsdorf. Justin Ishbia isn’t even on the front office page on the team website. You are a colossal waste of time. A true imbecile 2 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 1 hour ago, Tony said: This is objectively false 100% true. The deal announced that Ishbia had zero chance at control until 2029, at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: 100% true. The deal announced that Ishbia had zero chance at control until 2029, at least. It’s literally explained in detail in the second and third paragraphs of the press release. https://www.mlb.com/amp/press-release/press-release-white-sox-announce-long-term-ownership-investment-agreement.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 52 minutes ago, Soxfest said: It begins and ends with JR no longer being an albatross around this organization. and MLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 36 minutes ago, tray said: Yes, that makes perfect sense for a Hedge Fund operator.. i.e. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/optionscontract.asp That's a stock option bro. And even in that case the stock holder has control until expiration day, when the option holder can decide to take delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 59 minutes ago, tray said: LOL. You must be a corporate attorney to make such a statement and/or have different information than was disclosed about the transition period described by Reinsdorf himself. Reinsdorf effectively ceded control of the organization to Ishbia by granting him an exclusive right to purchase a controlling stock interest at either a date certain (when he passes away) or in the near future. Also mentioned in that announcement was that Ishbia would be free to invest in the organization beginning this year. So again...where is Ishbia? Should Sox fans be concerned that he is rethinking his option and will pull out just like he did on his investment in the Twins? JR is still in control. A future right to purchase doesn’t change that. (And I’m a “corporate attorney,” if that matters.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Whiny post. Frankly, I might just wait longer than a week or a month before making an assessment. Or, well, if I'm going to make an assessment about something I have no way of predicting, I might just say, "don't worry, it'll be OK, things generally work out in the end". Because they typically do. And if it doesn't work out in this ball game we watch on TV, aw shucks, who cares? Are our friends over at Orioles Talk on suicide watch this season? Is the Dodgers fan a happier and more fulfilled person than the White Sox fan is? I think she might be, but I bet that has a lot to do with the climate and sunshine and good food rather than baseball. I think the Chicago sports fan has a better sense of self-respect than the Californian does. Hardened by the cold. All our teams are bad and have been for a decade, despite a storied history of success and being in large part a 'sports town'. There isn't a whole lot to root for outside of sports either, on the news it's just another school closing or a shooting or an ICE raid or the Obama library and what else is going on in the City? Do you notice how the flag is permanently at half-mast now? The Chicago sports fan looks internally for his happiness perhaps because the world is not always such a happy place. Maybe the Sox fan takes some delight in Lenyn Sosa checking up his swing on a pitch 10 feet off the plate because it might indicate, "I want to do better and impress the fans" even if the end result is a weak groundout to first base. I've said before, I like watching a 'rebuilding' team in any sport because maybe these guys will turn into something and maybe they won't and it's fun to guess at who will succeed; and you hope it's all the players but maybe you hope a little more it's the ones you form some para-social attachment to watching them play for years at various stages in their career (like everyone did with Burger, like I want for Sosa). It's even more fun when some nobody like Brooks Baldwin or Tim Elko makes a little noise, guys we never had expectations for. Now we fans evidently have expectations for them and I'm sure they are relishing the opportunity and are hoping not to disappoint. Lucky us as spectators if they don't disappoint. "Montgomery got promoted somehow" is the annoying remark in this post that prompted the response and generally punctuates the 'whiner' ethos of the post. It's disrespectful, so what if he can't hear you and reply back to you. Post it on twitter and he might. He's had 2 or 3 bad games in a row and is still nearly double the OPS of Jac Caglianone, he's somehow produced 1.5 more WAR than this guy we 'needed' to draft, and nobody is questioning how the Royals called him up too early after proving nothing (try to find one article or forum post about it anywhere on the web). What about Nolan Schanuel, a guy who I think sort of comped to Montgomery prior to Monty's ascendance through the prospect rankings? The Angels "rush" guys, but they also draft "ready" players, and what more could they accomplish in the minors? I wonder what you thought Montgomery had left to 'work on' at AAA. You know he can still go back, right? I don't know why some (many) fans so are perturbed to see a guy finally make it to the Majors. It's a positive moment and he didn't let us, the fans, down. Pitching is adjusting to him and now he needs to make an adjustment back. He's getting out on offspeed stuff when the criticism against him was that he couldn't hit velocity...which is still questionable, but it's been like 30 plate appearances. His first hit was a triple and some were mad he didn't turn it into a home run. Colson getting out on changeups seems like a 'good' problem for him. I would chill out. I can't be the only person who thought things were 100 times more "bleak" in 2022 than they are today. Yeah that team was .500, but it was the beginning of the end. That's a team that is about to descend into darkness rather than one that might come out of it; which one is genuinely more fun to watch and write about on the internet? The average known commodity or the potential diamond in the rough? Maybe fans are annoyed we hired Getz instead of something else, but I'd simply ask: what would wunderkind David Stearns have done differently with the Sox? Why are the Mets in second place in their division despite having an unlimited payroll, the lure of New York and supposedly the most 'brilliant' GM in sports? Is David Stearns better at running a baseball team than Chris Getz is? Prove it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The CashMan Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 18 minutes ago, bighurt574 said: JR is still in control. A future right to purchase doesn’t change that. (And I’m a “corporate attorney,” if that matters.) Would your opinion be that this is all ego on Jerry's side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 20 minutes ago, nrockway said: Whiny post. Frankly, I might just wait longer than a week or a month before making an assessment. Or, well, if I'm going to make an assessment about something I have no way of predicting, I might just say, "don't worry, it'll be OK, things generally work out in the end". Because they typically do. And if it doesn't work out in this ball game we watch on TV, aw shucks, who cares? Are our friends over at Orioles Talk on suicide watch this season? Is the Dodgers fan a happier and more fulfilled person than the White Sox fan is? I think she might be, but I bet that has a lot to do with the climate and sunshine and good food rather than baseball. I think the Chicago sports fan has a better sense of self-respect than the Californian does. Hardened by the cold. All our teams are bad and have been for a decade, despite a storied history of success and being in large part a 'sports town'. There isn't a whole lot to root for outside of sports either, on the news it's just another school closing or a shooting or an ICE raid or the Obama library and what else is going on in the City? Do you notice how the flag is permanently at half-mast now? The Chicago sports fan looks internally for his happiness perhaps because the world is not always such a happy place. Maybe the Sox fan takes some delight in Lenyn Sosa checking up his swing on a pitch 10 feet off the plate because it might indicate, "I want to do better and impress the fans" even if the end result is a weak groundout to first base. I've said before, I like watching a 'rebuilding' team in any sport because maybe these guys will turn into something and maybe they won't and it's fun to guess at who will succeed; and you hope it's all the players but maybe you hope a little more it's the ones you form some para-social attachment to watching them play for years at various stages in their career (like everyone did with Burger, like I want for Sosa). It's even more fun when some nobody like Brooks Baldwin or Tim Elko makes a little noise, guys we never had expectations for. Now we fans evidently have expectations for them and I'm sure they are relishing the opportunity and are hoping not to disappoint. Lucky us as spectators if they don't disappoint. "Montgomery got promoted somehow" is the annoying remark in this post that prompted the response and generally punctuates the 'whiner' ethos of the post. It's disrespectful, so what if he can't hear you and reply back to you. Post it on twitter and he might. He's had 2 or 3 bad games in a row and is still nearly double the OPS of Jac Caglianone, he's somehow produced 1.5 more WAR than this guy we 'needed' to draft, and nobody is questioning how the Royals called him up too early after proving nothing (try to find one article or forum post about it anywhere on the web). What about Nolan Schanuel, a guy who I think sort of comped to Montgomery prior to Monty's ascendance through the prospect rankings? The Angels "rush" guys, but they also draft "ready" players, and what more could they accomplish in the minors? I wonder what you thought Montgomery had left to 'work on' at AAA. You know he can still go back, right? I don't know why some (many) fans so are perturbed to see a guy finally make it to the Majors. It's a positive moment and he didn't let us, the fans, down. Pitching is adjusting to him and now he needs to make an adjustment back. He's getting out on offspeed stuff when the criticism against him was that he couldn't hit velocity...which is still questionable, but it's been like 30 plate appearances. His first hit was a triple and some were mad he didn't turn it into a home run. Colson getting out on changeups seems like a 'good' problem for him. I would chill out. I can't be the only person who thought things were 100 times more "bleak" in 2022 than they are today. Yeah that team was .500, but it was the beginning of the end. That's a team that is about to descend into darkness rather than one that might come out of it; which one is genuinely more fun to watch and write about on the internet? The average known commodity or the potential diamond in the rough? Maybe fans are annoyed we hired Getz instead of something else, but I'd simply ask: what would wunderkind David Stearns have done differently with the Sox? Why are the Mets in second place in their division despite having an unlimited payroll, the lure of New York and supposedly the most 'brilliant' GM in sports? Is David Stearns better at running a baseball team than Chris Getz is? Prove it. Well #1, David Sterns wouldn't have old man LaRussa around in any capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 17 minutes ago, The CashMan said: Would your opinion be that this is all ego on Jerry's side? Nah. He doesn't want to sell until death, if possible. This gives him a capital infusion plus an arranged sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 23 minutes ago, nrockway said: Is David Stearns better at running a baseball team than Chris Getz is? Prove it. What is happening to this place? When did everyone go insane? what are we even doing here? 3 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 22 minutes ago, nrockway said: Whiny post. Frankly, I might just wait longer than a week or a month before making an assessment. Or, well, if I'm going to make an assessment about something I have no way of predicting, I might just say, "don't worry, it'll be OK, things generally work out in the end". Because they typically do. And if it doesn't work out in this ball game we watch on TV, aw shucks, who cares? Are our friends over at Orioles Talk on suicide watch this season? Is the Dodgers fan a happier and more fulfilled person than the White Sox fan is? I think she might be, but I bet that has a lot to do with the climate and sunshine and good food rather than baseball. I think the Chicago sports fan has a better sense of self-respect than the Californian does. Hardened by the cold. All our teams are bad and have been for a decade, despite a storied history of success and being in large part a 'sports town'. There isn't a whole lot to root for outside of sports either, on the news it's just another school closing or a shooting or an ICE raid or the Obama library and what else is going on in the City? Do you notice how the flag is permanently at half-mast now? The Chicago sports fan looks internally for his happiness perhaps because the world is not always such a happy place. Maybe the Sox fan takes some delight in Lenyn Sosa checking up his swing on a pitch 10 feet off the plate because it might indicate, "I want to do better and impress the fans" even if the end result is a weak groundout to first base. I've said before, I like watching a 'rebuilding' team in any sport because maybe these guys will turn into something and maybe they won't and it's fun to guess at who will succeed; and you hope it's all the players but maybe you hope a little more it's the ones you form some para-social attachment to watching them play for years at various stages in their career (like everyone did with Burger, like I want for Sosa). It's even more fun when some nobody like Brooks Baldwin or Tim Elko makes a little noise, guys we never had expectations for. Now we fans evidently have expectations for them and I'm sure they are relishing the opportunity and are hoping not to disappoint. Lucky us as spectators if they don't disappoint. "Montgomery got promoted somehow" is the annoying remark in this post that prompted the response and generally punctuates the 'whiner' ethos of the post. It's disrespectful, so what if he can't hear you and reply back to you. Post it on twitter and he might. He's had 2 or 3 bad games in a row and is still nearly double the OPS of Jac Caglianone, he's somehow produced 1.5 more WAR than this guy we 'needed' to draft, and nobody is questioning how the Royals called him up too early after proving nothing (try to find one article or forum post about it anywhere on the web). What about Nolan Schanuel, a guy who I think sort of comped to Montgomery prior to Monty's ascendance through the prospect rankings? The Angels "rush" guys, but they also draft "ready" players, and what more could they accomplish in the minors? I wonder what you thought Montgomery had left to 'work on' at AAA. You know he can still go back, right? I don't know why some (many) fans so are perturbed to see a guy finally make it to the Majors. It's a positive moment and he didn't let us, the fans, down. Pitching is adjusting to him and now he needs to make an adjustment back. He's getting out on offspeed stuff when the criticism against him was that he couldn't hit velocity...which is still questionable, but it's been like 30 plate appearances. His first hit was a triple and some were mad he didn't turn it into a home run. Colson getting out on changeups seems like a 'good' problem for him. I would chill out. I can't be the only person who thought things were 100 times more "bleak" in 2022 than they are today. Yeah that team was .500, but it was the beginning of the end. That's a team that is about to descend into darkness rather than one that might come out of it; which one is genuinely more fun to watch and write about on the internet? The average known commodity or the potential diamond in the rough? Maybe fans are annoyed we hired Getz instead of something else, but I'd simply ask: what would wunderkind David Stearns have done differently with the Sox? Why are the Mets in second place in their division despite having an unlimited payroll, the lure of New York and supposedly the most 'brilliant' GM in sports? Is David Stearns better at running a baseball team than Chris Getz is? Prove it. So... what? I never said anything about Caglianone, the Mets, Dodgers or Orioles.. and I certainly never mentioned school shootings or deportations My question is pretty obvious: these prospects don't seem to be destined for superstars (not just due to on field performance but also because they were never super hyped to begin with), the owner is a f***, & the GM seems to be a bit over his head And yes, Montgomery had his first good 2-3 week stretch in 2 years and was promoted almost right after, but yeah go team! I once again ask- YOU I guess- how will this team ever be consistent contenders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 20 minutes ago, The CashMan said: Would your opinion be that this is all ego on Jerry's side? Seems like he wants to ensure he makes every last dime he can off the Sox, but also guarantee that the team is sold per his requirements before his untimely death. I love how Ishbia can pay down debts and invest in the team early, even though he isn’t even the controlling owner yet. If Jerry was born in the 19th century, he would probably be selling snake oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Tony said: What is happening to this place? When did everyone go insane? what are we even doing here? Ok so prove it then, Tony. Write a thoughtful post, "global moderator", not one line of s%*# talk. Set the tone for your website. David Stearns v Chris Getz is a genuine line of discussion and this is your response. Thinking people might find it interesting. Illiterate perspective and surprising. Edited July 14 by nrockway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 (edited) 30 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: So... what? I never said anything about Caglianone, the Mets, Dodgers or Orioles.. and I certainly never mentioned school shootings or deportations My question is pretty obvious: these prospects don't seem to be destined for superstars (not just due to on field performance but also because they were never super hyped to begin with), the owner is a f***, & the GM seems to be a bit over his head And yes, Montgomery had his first good 2-3 week stretch in 2 years and was promoted almost right after, but yeah go team! I once again ask- YOU I guess- how will this team ever be consistent contenders? I dunno, bro, who cares? I probably could've made that point in fewer words. edit: also thought only Bernie was 'once again' asking me to do stuff. Ocasio-Cortez should try that same bit. Edited July 14 by nrockway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 hour ago, tray said: LOL. Jerry is merely a 90 year old figurehead that has ceded future control to Ishbia. You want to blame JR ....except for the 90's Bulls, the '83 WSox, the 2005 World Series. Bad timing for you on the 20 year WS reunion week. Tray: With respect take a look at the Sox record for example since the start of the 2007 season. They are about to have their 13th losing season compared to five winning ones and a season of playing .500 baseball. That is one of the worst records in MLB over that 19 year period. In my opinion that's nothing to be proud of. To JR's credit at least from 1981-2006 Sox fan could reasonably assume the franchise would be competitive. What caused the drastic change? I'm guessing there were a number of factors. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 55 minutes ago, nrockway said: Whiny post. Frankly, I might just wait longer than a week or a month before making an assessment. Or, well, if I'm going to make an assessment about something I have no way of predicting, I might just say, "don't worry, it'll be OK, things generally work out in the end". Because they typically do. And if it doesn't work out in this ball game we watch on TV, aw shucks, who cares? Are our friends over at Orioles Talk on suicide watch this season? Is the Dodgers fan a happier and more fulfilled person than the White Sox fan is? I think she might be, but I bet that has a lot to do with the climate and sunshine and good food rather than baseball. I think the Chicago sports fan has a better sense of self-respect than the Californian does. Hardened by the cold. All our teams are bad and have been for a decade, despite a storied history of success and being in large part a 'sports town'. There isn't a whole lot to root for outside of sports either, on the news it's just another school closing or a shooting or an ICE raid or the Obama library and what else is going on in the City? Do you notice how the flag is permanently at half-mast now? The Chicago sports fan looks internally for his happiness perhaps because the world is not always such a happy place. Maybe the Sox fan takes some delight in Lenyn Sosa checking up his swing on a pitch 10 feet off the plate because it might indicate, "I want to do better and impress the fans" even if the end result is a weak groundout to first base. I've said before, I like watching a 'rebuilding' team in any sport because maybe these guys will turn into something and maybe they won't and it's fun to guess at who will succeed; and you hope it's all the players but maybe you hope a little more it's the ones you form some para-social attachment to watching them play for years at various stages in their career (like everyone did with Burger, like I want for Sosa). It's even more fun when some nobody like Brooks Baldwin or Tim Elko makes a little noise, guys we never had expectations for. Now we fans evidently have expectations for them and I'm sure they are relishing the opportunity and are hoping not to disappoint. Lucky us as spectators if they don't disappoint. "Montgomery got promoted somehow" is the annoying remark in this post that prompted the response and generally punctuates the 'whiner' ethos of the post. It's disrespectful, so what if he can't hear you and reply back to you. Post it on twitter and he might. He's had 2 or 3 bad games in a row and is still nearly double the OPS of Jac Caglianone, he's somehow produced 1.5 more WAR than this guy we 'needed' to draft, and nobody is questioning how the Royals called him up too early after proving nothing (try to find one article or forum post about it anywhere on the web). What about Nolan Schanuel, a guy who I think sort of comped to Montgomery prior to Monty's ascendance through the prospect rankings? The Angels "rush" guys, but they also draft "ready" players, and what more could they accomplish in the minors? I wonder what you thought Montgomery had left to 'work on' at AAA. You know he can still go back, right? I don't know why some (many) fans so are perturbed to see a guy finally make it to the Majors. It's a positive moment and he didn't let us, the fans, down. Pitching is adjusting to him and now he needs to make an adjustment back. He's getting out on offspeed stuff when the criticism against him was that he couldn't hit velocity...which is still questionable, but it's been like 30 plate appearances. His first hit was a triple and some were mad he didn't turn it into a home run. Colson getting out on changeups seems like a 'good' problem for him. I would chill out. I can't be the only person who thought things were 100 times more "bleak" in 2022 than they are today. Yeah that team was .500, but it was the beginning of the end. That's a team that is about to descend into darkness rather than one that might come out of it; which one is genuinely more fun to watch and write about on the internet? The average known commodity or the potential diamond in the rough? Maybe fans are annoyed we hired Getz instead of something else, but I'd simply ask: what would wunderkind David Stearns have done differently with the Sox? Why are the Mets in second place in their division despite having an unlimited payroll, the lure of New York and supposedly the most 'brilliant' GM in sports? Is David Stearns better at running a baseball team than Chris Getz is? Prove it. I'm happy that you like watching the worst sox teams in history back to back years but some of us dont actually enjoy that at all. Hope that helps. 1 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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