T R U Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 These two things can be true at the same time... Austin Slater would be valuable to a playoff team. Austin Slater is not worth much in a trade. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 14 minutes ago, T R U said: These two things can be true at the same time... Austin Slater would be valuable to a playoff team. Austin Slater is not worth much in a trade. Well, that just means the Sox need to strap it down for the playoff push! But, yes, and that's why we shouldn't expect much even if the Sox are busy in the trade market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 37 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: $10 million a year is nothing these days in the MLB. Take a look at what Joc Pederson has earned since he turned 30. If Robert were a FA from another team, I would be happy to offer 4 years at 10 million. Why would you want to settle for a box of rocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 I would love to extend Robert since we have 0 prospects in the outfield. 4/40 seems low. 4/60 seems high. Somewhere in between but theres also 0 chance Jerry pays anything near that anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 hour ago, poppysox said: You can't have it both ways...either he isn't worth 10 M per year or he's much to good to accept that salary. You guys keep insisting we won't get squat and then will b**** when he goes elsewhere and reverts to his 2023 ways. I mean......the elephant in the room you leave out is what if it's a White Sox problem? Robert has not been a very productive player in 2024 and 2025. He had a very good year in 2023. He's making 15 million this season and will probably be about a 1 WAR player in 2025. He serves very little purpose for the White Sox in 2025, and this team certainly doesn't project to be very good in 2026...so an interested team probably doesn't have to give up a ton to acquire him. Now, if he's traded for very little and goes on a rampage for the team that acquired him...White Sox fans shouldn't be at all upset that their favorite team couldn't get that type of production out of him? Because clearly we haven't seen that on the South Side in two years, and doesn't seem like we're in for a prolonged stretch of Luis Robert domination. So I think both things can be absolutely true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 15 minutes ago, Tony said: I mean......the elephant in the room you leave out is what if it's a White Sox problem? Robert has not been a very productive player in 2024 and 2025. He had a very good year in 2023. He's making 15 million this season and will probably be about a 1 WAR player in 2025. He serves very little purpose for the White Sox in 2025, and this team certainly doesn't project to be very good in 2026...so an interested team probably doesn't have to give up a ton to acquire him. Now, if he's traded for very little and goes on a rampage for the team that acquired him...White Sox fans shouldn't be at all upset that their favorite team couldn't get that type of production out of him? Because clearly we haven't seen that on the South Side in two years, and doesn't seem like we're in for a prolonged stretch of Luis Robert domination. So I think both things can be absolutely true. I would make the offer. That, of course, presumes that offers suck as most here suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 21 Author Share Posted July 21 11 minutes ago, poppysox said: If Robert were a FA from another team, I would be happy to offer 4 years at 10 million. Why would you want to settle for a box of rocks? I find this confusing. Who's offering this 4/40? The White Sox or another team? If it's the White Sox, Scott Boras would say, "We already have a contract. Let us know if you're picking up the $20M option, or buying it out." If the White Sox buy him out, then he hits the free agent market. Robert falls into one of 3 boxes: A) He's "that dude", and everybody knows it B) He's "that dude", he just needs to prove it for a full season C) He's not "that dude", but he's a great platoon CF, or a below average bat, above average glove If he's A, the Sox are picking up his next 2 option years. If they don't, he hits the market and gets 4/150, or 10/300. If he's B or C, he hits the market and signs a one year deal to prove himself. Probably for $10-15M. That 4/40 number you keep trotting out is just a weird, in between offer. It's too cheap for too many years. Or too expensive for too many years. If Robert were to jump at your 4/40, that would mean that Robert thinks he's C, and wants to grab whatever's being offered. Austin Hays was a productive (2.5+ bWAR) OF who was non-tendered after a down year due to injury. He signed a 1 year deal for $12M to rebuild his value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 (edited) 58 minutes ago, poppysox said: If Robert were a FA from another team, I would be happy to offer 4 years at 10 million. Why would you want to settle for a box of rocks? I don’t want to settle for anything. However, your offer isn’t realistic. Robert changed agents to Scott Boras. He is much more likely to sign a one-year deal with a high AAV to recoup his value for a shot at a bigger long-term deal after 2026. Boras isn’t going to settle for $40 million over 4 years. Boras doesn’t short his client or his own percentage of the cut with team friendly deals. Edited July 21 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 16 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I find this confusing. Who's offering this 4/40? The White Sox or another team? If it's the White Sox, Scott Boras would say, "We already have a contract. Let us know if you're picking up the $20M option, or buying it out." If the White Sox buy him out, then he hits the free agent market. Robert falls into one of 3 boxes: A) He's "that dude", and everybody knows it B) He's "that dude", he just needs to prove it for a full season C) He's not "that dude", but he's a great platoon CF, or a below average bat, above average glove If he's A, the Sox are picking up his next 2 option years. If they don't, he hits the market and gets 4/150, or 10/300. If he's B or C, he hits the market and signs a one year deal to prove himself. Probably for $10-15M. That 4/40 number you keep trotting out is just a weird, in between offer. It's too cheap for too many years. Or too expensive for too many years. If Robert were to jump at your 4/40, that would mean that Robert thinks he's C, and wants to grab whatever's being offered. Austin Hays was a productive (2.5+ bWAR) OF who was non-tendered after a down year due to injury. He signed a 1 year deal for $12M to rebuild his value. https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/national-league-central/cincinnati-reds/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 58 minutes ago, T R U said: These two things can be true at the same time... Austin Slater would be valuable to a playoff team. Austin Slater is not worth much in a trade. Exactly. My point is that Getz & Barfield better be active and trade these guys for whatever they can. Probably won’t get a lot in return for most of these guys, but part of a GM’s job is taking as many swings as possible at the trade deadline when your team is a loser. The only way a guy like Slater returns nothing is because you go in with too high of demands. Take what you can get for him and use the last two months of the season to give the kids and AAAA types like Robertson a shot. There is zero excuse for not moving rentals who actually are productive players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Robert is getting traded guys. I don’t want to try to police what people can post about here, but debating the merits of extending Robert is an exercise in futility. Jerry doesn’t want to pay him, the front office has lost confidence in him, and he now has Scott Boras as his agent. Unless he gets injured or suspended in the next 10 days, he will not end the season on the White Sox. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 21 Author Share Posted July 21 9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/national-league-central/cincinnati-reds/ Oh. I read the wrong line in Baseball-Reference.com. Drinking after 60, and all. But my main point still stands. Well beyond the situation of the TDL coming up next week, 4/40 is a strange, in-between number that doesn't hit anything that Robert might be. And Robert would have no reason to tear up the existing contract and replace it with something worse, especially with a team that seemingly has him drained and pressing. Robert taking 4/40 would tell me that he knows he's not worth 10/300 anymore, in which case, you can just keep signing M.A.T.'s and Austin Hays to 1-year deals the next 4 years and get better value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Robert is getting traded guys. I don’t want to try to police what people can post about here, but debating the merits of extending Robert is an exercise in futility. Jerry doesn’t want to pay him, the front office has lost confidence in him, and he now has Scott Boras as his agent. Unless he gets injured or suspended in the next 10 days, he will not end the season on the White Sox. And even if Robert is more than likely worth 4/$40, his recent play gives Jerry an out from spending even that much. Cuz like you said, Jerry doesn’t want to pay him. And I doubt he even wants to spend 4/$40 on any player with the way he has been cutting payroll. Edited July 21 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 3 hours ago, striker said: Dodgers have tons of OF depth in majors and minors. Do they use it for Taylor? Dunno The problem is guys like Clase or Duran could be available as well. Do you bet the proven guy or the unproven guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 hour ago, poppysox said: If Robert were a FA from another team, I would be happy to offer 4 years at 10 million. Why would you want to settle for a box of rocks? Which is why Robert wouldn't take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 54 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Robert is getting traded guys. I don’t want to try to police what people can post about here, but debating the merits of extending Robert is an exercise in futility. Jerry doesn’t want to pay him, the front office has lost confidence in him, and he now has Scott Boras as his agent. Unless he gets injured or suspended in the next 10 days, he will not end the season on the White Sox. There was even an article the other day saying he HAD to be traded on the The Athletic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 19 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: There was even an article the other day saying he HAD to be traded on the The Athletic. Jerry isn’t paying $20 million to bring him back for 2026, so it’s either the Sox get some prospect(s) back no matter what the quality, or they get to pay Robert $2 million to look for a new contract. It’s truly a no-brainer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Exactly. My point is that Getz & Barfield better be active and trade these guys for whatever they can. Probably won’t get a lot in return for most of these guys, but part of a GM’s job is taking as many swings as possible at the trade deadline when your team is a loser. The only way a guy like Slater returns nothing is because you go in with too high of demands. Take what you can get for him and use the last two months of the season to give the kids and AAAA types like Robertson a shot. There is zero excuse for not moving rentals who actually are productive players. I wouldn't be spooked by anything Barfield says. Keep in mind he kept running his mouth before the Cease trade saying "we don't have to move him, we have the leverage" and all this BS and they blinked even though SD made a mediocre offer. He's just a media mouthpiece to try and create the impression that they wont settle for scraps. I see no reason why they would keep Slater, Wilson, Eisert, Robert, Houser. Tauchman they might need as a productive but cheap starter in 2026 since Braden might not be here until late, 2026 and even then will be an adjustment period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 8 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: I wouldn't be spooked by anything Barfield says. Keep in mind he kept running his mouth before the Cease trade saying "we don't have to move him, we have the leverage" and all this BS and they blinked even though SD made a mediocre offer. He's just a media mouthpiece to try and create the impression that they wont settle for scraps. I see no reason why they would keep Slater, Wilson, Eisert, Robert, Houser. Tauchman they might need as a productive but cheap starter in 2026 since Braden might not be here until late, 2026 and even then will be an adjustment period. I’d love his thoughts on that Fletcher trade. Guessing he’s probably not too talkative about that one. 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’d love his thoughts on that Fletcher trade. Guessing he’s probably not too talkative about that one. 🤣 LOL....he put his dick in a blender and pressed the on button on that one. Hopefully he isn't as much of a dumbfuck on other player evaluations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 16 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: I wouldn't be spooked by anything Barfield says. Keep in mind he kept running his mouth before the Cease trade saying "we don't have to move him, we have the leverage" and all this BS and they blinked even though SD made a mediocre offer. He's just a media mouthpiece to try and create the impression that they wont settle for scraps. I see no reason why they would keep Slater, Wilson, Eisert, Robert, Houser. Tauchman they might need as a productive but cheap starter in 2026 since Braden might not be here until late, 2026 and even then will be an adjustment period. I’m sure you’re right on it just being old fashioned Rick Hahn fluff, but I will be mad if someone like Slater is still around come Aug 2nd. Doubt that will be the case, but just want my pitchfork on ready in the unlikely event it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m sure you’re right on it just being old fashioned Rick Hahn fluff, but I will be mad if someone like Slater is still around come Aug 2nd. Doubt that will be the case, but just want my pitchfork on ready in the unlikely event it does. Yeah he should be gone. Honestly, Michael Taylor can find himself on an a competitive team's bench looking to improve their 4th OF spot. I actually saw the Cubs as a suggestion since their backup CF is currently Vidal Brujan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah he should be gone. Honestly, Michael Taylor can find himself on an a competitive team's bench looking to improve their 4th OF spot. I actually saw the Cubs as a suggestion since their backup CF is currently Vidal Brujan. He’s actually had a real solid season and should be movable. He’s one of the guys who could push us above my over-under target of five players moved (corrected from six). Edited July 21 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: I find this confusing. Who's offering this 4/40? The White Sox or another team? If it's the White Sox, Scott Boras would say, "We already have a contract. Let us know if you're picking up the $20M option, or buying it out." If the White Sox buy him out, then he hits the free agent market. Robert falls into one of 3 boxes: A) He's "that dude", and everybody knows it B) He's "that dude", he just needs to prove it for a full season C) He's not "that dude", but he's a great platoon CF, or a below average bat, above average glove If he's A, the Sox are picking up his next 2 option years. If they don't, he hits the market and gets 4/150, or 10/300. If he's B or C, he hits the market and signs a one year deal to prove himself. Probably for $10-15M. That 4/40 number you keep trotting out is just a weird, in between offer. It's too cheap for too many years. Or too expensive for too many years. If Robert were to jump at your 4/40, that would mean that Robert thinks he's C, and wants to grab whatever's being offered. Austin Hays was a productive (2.5+ bWAR) OF who was non-tendered after a down year due to injury. He signed a 1 year deal for $12M to rebuild his value. Nothing about it is confusing. Robert can accept a new offer if he chooses. The WS can choose to make an offer...pick up the 20 M option to retain his services, or buy him out for the 2 M option, or trade him to any interested party. I suggest we make a reasonable offer (4 years at 10M). If he doesn't accept the new contract proposal...trade him for the best offer. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 10 minutes ago, poppysox said: Nothing about it is confusing. Robert can accept a new offer if he chooses. The WS can choose to make an offer...pick up the 20 M option to retain his services, or buy him out for the 2 M option, or trade him to any interested party. I suggest we make a reasonable offer (4 years at 10M). If he doesn't accept the new contract proposal...trade him for the best offer. There’s just no reason for him to accept that. If a team buys out his option next year, he’ll sign a 1-year pillow deal to rebuild value. Plus like I said, I doubt he really wants to be here anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.thumb.jpg.acbdc1097283affff104fdb503e5766f.jpg)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.