Don't break it ALL down. Go for 63!!!!!

[T R U]

47 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I just can't imagine how you look at this steaming pile of dog water and think, yes, more of that!  Are there Sox fans who are that desperate for something to grab on to?  

Well there’s at least one. 

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, Quin said:

Go for 63 wins maybe the worst rallying cry in the history of sports.

We could take over the moniker “Lovable Losers” from the Cubs.

[southsider2k5]

11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

We could take over the moniker “Lovable Losers” from the Cubs.

A huge upgrade from worst of all time.

[Tnetennba]

32 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

We could take over the moniker “Lovable Losers” from the Cubs.

And why the f*** would we want that?

[WhiteSox2023]

10 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

And why the f*** would we want that?

No idea.  Ask @vilehoopster.

[Tnetennba]

So we keep this collection of huge maybes together chasing 63 wins, what have we actually accomplished? 63-99 is still really bad. Yeah, it's a enomorous jump from 41-121, but its still 36 games under water.There's nothing to indicate that this current group can make another 20 win improvement in a year's time. And even if by random chance they were, we are still looking at a .500ish team with no hope of winning anything meaningful even if they snuck into the last Wild Card spot.

Don't sacrifice future growth by focusing on the record of a rebuilding team.

[Tnetennba]

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

No idea.  Ask @vilehoopster.

Nah, I'm good.

[waltwilliams]

5 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

We could take over the moniker “Lovable Losers” from the Cubs.

The Cubs have had two losing seasons in the past 10 years, and have been to the postseason in five of those years, winning it all in 2016. I wish the Sox had that kind of success.

[Colome's Hat]

Whether they actually will or not, Reinsdorf is old enough that he might fucking go for it next year in the same way we did in 2020.  I think if they keep this core and spend the money, more importantly spend it wisely, I think they can compete with Detroit.  That being said, they need to invest in the team.

[sin city sox fan]

After our lack of activity today and the Twins trading everyone, we might not even finish last in the division this year.    

[Lip Man 1]

14 minutes ago, sin city sox fan said:

After our lack of activity today and the Twins trading everyone, we might not even finish last in the division this year.    

Good point. 

[Lip Man 1]

21 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

Whether they actually will or not, Reinsdorf is old enough that he might fucking go for it next year in the same way we did in 2020.  I think if they keep this core and spend the money, more importantly spend it wisely, I think they can compete with Detroit.  That being said, they need to invest in the team.

The wild card of course is the upcoming labor impasse and the probability the owners will lock out the players as soon as the 2026 season ends. That could seriously impact the 2027 season.

JR as history shows rarely, very rarely takes risks and this absolutely is going to play into any decision he makes.

[Colome's Hat]

16 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

The wild card of course is the upcoming labor impasse and the probability the owners will lock out the players as soon as the 2026 season ends. That could seriously impact the 2027 season.

JR as history shows rarely, very rarely takes risks and this absolutely is going to play into any decision he makes.

Yeah.  But he won't live much longer.  Dunno.  I think they miight spend.  I'm just worried they won't spend it well.

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, Colome's Hat said:

Yeah.  But he won't live much longer.  Dunno.  I think they miight spend.  I'm just worried they won't spend it well.

History shows this to be the case with literally millions and millions of JR's money wasted on non performing players.

[ptatc]

2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

History shows this to be the case with literally millions and millions of JR's money wasted on non performing players.

But who picks the players to spend the money on. From what I hear JR only gets involved in setting the budget and approving (or usually rejecting) really large contracts.

The issue always has been who the team can afford while fielding a full team under the budget.

This is why having a group of young pre-arb players is so important. With that cost saving they may be able to afford 1 or 2 high end players. JR usually has a payroll in the middle of the pack.

[Lip Man 1]

14 minutes ago, ptatc said:

But who picks the players to spend the money on. From what I hear JR only gets involved in setting the budget and approving (or usually rejecting) really large contracts.

The issue always has been who the team can afford while fielding a full team under the budget.

This is why having a group of young pre-arb players is so important. With that cost saving they may be able to afford 1 or 2 high end players. JR usually has a payroll in the middle of the pack.

As I have been told and provided direct comments in the past from people connected to the organization JR is involved in literally everything including "suggesting" what players should be drafted.

Ken Rosenthal's story in the Athletic from last September should be required reading:

"An owner who 'thinks he knows everything' led the White Sox to historic disaster" - September  19, 2024. 

And who has final say on hiring the individuals who 'pick' the players to spend money on?

 

[WhiteSox2023]

 

[JoeC]

I'm actually not entirely doom-and-gloom about the future of this team (2~3 years from now), based on this core. Not nearly the hopes that I had going into 2019~2020, but definitely a "get a couple of these guys to click, a reclamation project to work out, and we're in the thick of it" situation.

Let's not mortgage what decent future we have by "going for" 63 wins.

[The Mighty Mite]

On 7/30/2025 at 9:28 PM, vilehoopster said:

I have thought this since before the all-star break when the White Sox were already playing better: I don't think the Sox should just completely dismantle what they have right now. Especially, especially for a bunch of lottery picks. And lottery picks is an apt metaphor for what they would get back. The odds are low that they would get anything of value back, so why make trades just to make trades?

I understand that Robert and Houser have to go; it get that completely. Trade both of them while their value is high; I get it. 

But as far as I'm concerned that's it; don't trade anyone else. 

Don't trade Tauchman. He is clearly the best RF they have had in what??  8 or 9 years? All the people who say we should trade him, what are the Sox going to get back?? Be honest, a minor leaguer who has what? A 1-in-5 chance of every playing in the majors, at best? Probably more like a  1-in-10 chance. Keep him this year and keep him next year. He really helps the team win; he's important to this young improving team. . 

Keep Sosa. Again: he's the best 2nd baseman the Sox have had in, again, 8 or 9 years, at least. Yes, he makes bad decisions, but he hits. He hits. The Sox don't win 2 out of 3 games in this series and some other series since the break is Sosa isn't on the team. Keep him, the return won't be worth it. He's young too. He's going to improve just like all the others. Somehow, everyone seems to forget that about him. 

Keep Benintendi. I would argue that he is the Sox's best bat. He is important to this team and a vital cog in the lineup. His defense isn't anywhere near as bad as all the people on here complain that it is. We kinda saw a good example of that tonight. Plus everybody talks about how expensive he is? What?  17 million is not that expensive at all. And Jerry and the Sox management can afford 17 million. My God, if you eat Ramen noodles everyday for lunch and dinner, you can afford to go to Olive Garden once a month. He's not too expensive with what the Sox are paying everyone else. Keep him and let's keep this momentum going on through September and on into 2026. 

A know a lot, A LOT, of people argue on here that wins this year don't matter. Wins next year don't matter. I will never, never understand that thinking. When the White Sox win, it matters. I and a whole lot of people are happy. We're happy with the 9 -3 win over Philly and every time the Sox win. When they lose, we are decidedly not happy. Keep winning this year. That's why we should keep Tauchman; keep him for now instead of trading him for a chance, probably a slim chance, that the Sox might be better in the future. Keep Benintendi for the same reason. 

I have had more fun watching the White Sox this past month, even before the all-star break, then I have at any time in the last five years. Why would anyone willing want it to stop? I don't get it. 

I also believe it’s important to win, the culture of losing (mainly because of JR) must come to an end. You can see that the kids want to win. I agree on Tauchman, I didn’t know much about him but this year he has been the consummate professional and I’ve said it all year that he’s a great guy along with Beni to have around with helping the kids on how to play the game.

Edited August 1 by The Mighty Mite

[caulfield12]

42 minutes ago, ptatc said:

But who picks the players to spend the money on. From what I hear JR only gets involved in setting the budget and approving (or usually rejecting) really large contracts.

The issue always has been who the team can afford while fielding a full team under the budget.

This is why having a group of young pre-arb players is so important. With that cost saving they may be able to afford 1 or 2 high end players. JR usually has a payroll in the middle of the pack.

If KW/Hahn couldn't convince him to spend on Machado and Harper in 2019...back when $300-350 million was top of the market, why would Getz operating for 2-3 years by that point with Fedde as his biggest deal and $5-$7.5 really pushing this year's budget...be authorized for $400-500 million????

JR is suddenly going to change after nearly 30 consistent years of Tier B/C/D guys and go for the equivalent of another Albert Belle deal?  (Look at the Bulls' history here as well.)

Not buying it at all...when the Cubs with all their various revenue sources are 50/50 at best to retain Kyle Tucker after this year.

[77 Hitmen]

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

But who picks the players to spend the money on. From what I hear JR only gets involved in setting the budget and approving (or usually rejecting) really large contracts.

The issue always has been who the team can afford while fielding a full team under the budget.

This is why having a group of young pre-arb players is so important. With that cost saving they may be able to afford 1 or 2 high end players. JR usually has a payroll in the middle of the pack.

But who hires and keeps the people who have been terrible at picking which players to spend money on and also who hires people terrible at drafting and developing players?  It all goes back to Jerry.

Edited August 1 by 77 Hitmen

[southsider2k5]

2 hours ago, ptatc said:

But who picks the players to spend the money on. From what I hear JR only gets involved in setting the budget and approving (or usually rejecting) really large contracts.

The issue always has been who the team can afford while fielding a full team under the budget.

This is why having a group of young pre-arb players is so important. With that cost saving they may be able to afford 1 or 2 high end players. JR usually has a payroll in the middle of the pack.

So when your boss puts limitations on you, and tells you that you can't spend in a segment of the baseball economy, you either spend what he tells you can spend on, or you quit.