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On 8/4/2025 at 9:17 AM, WBWSF said:

I don't understand the hate for Sciffen. I think he's more than  competent at what he does. It has to be difficult to some degree to announce for a team that keeps losing 100 games a year. Every now and then I watch a Cubs game. I think  their main announcer (Boog  Scambi) is brutal and boring. I've often wondered what the Cubs fans think of him. I read an article in the Sun Times a couple of weeks ago about Steve Stone. Evidently Stone left the Cubs on bad terms with the previous ownership. The writer said  the present Cubs ownership should kiss and makeup with Stone. Sounds like a good idea and maybe Stone will go  back to announce for the Cubs.

 

25 minutes ago, fathom said:

Hagen’s control is so bad.  He has a very long ways to go.

Not just control. His stuff isn’t even good. He’s been a massive disappointment. They passed on really good hitters to take him too. 

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2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

 

Not just control. His stuff isn’t even good. He’s been a massive disappointment. They passed on really good hitters to take him too. 

Such a shame. I think they bought into the idea that they can turn any big lefty into a dominant pitcher. Missing on a high 1st rounder is really painful. 

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8 minutes ago, fathom said:

Damn, I was thinking of the Asa comparison before seeing that article James posted.  Meanwhile Griffin and Wetherholt keep excelling.

The one difference is that Hagen still doesn’t really get hit. His control is atrocious though. 

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1 minute ago, ron883 said:

Such a shame. I think they bought into the idea that they can turn any big lefty into a dominant pitcher. Missing on a high 1st rounder is really painful. 

Well it’s not a miss yet. That’s important to note. Definite red flags though. 

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Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Well it’s not a miss yet. That’s important to note. Definite red flags though. 

You're right. His stats aren't atrocious or anything. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but there were some good hitters available like you said. It's painful seeing multiple hitters drafted right after him excelling so much. 

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22 minutes ago, fathom said:

Damn, I was thinking of the Asa comparison before seeing that article James posted.  Meanwhile Griffin and Wetherholt keep excelling.

"2 player draft"

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If Hagens stuff really disappeared that would stink. That is like Fulmer. We all saw how nasty his stuff was in college last year - that type of stuff doesn’t just go away without an injury. He also has a big frame. This has to be a mechanical or health thing and I hope we see whatever it is - he will get over it and we’ll see that elite stuff and see him develop. 

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Just like Antonacci will have to hit year after year after year...especially not die a slow death in Birmingham.  Utility middle infielders with 10-15 hr power just don't catch the eyes of scouts without any plus  carrying tools.

Magglio Ordonez wasn't a big bonus signing, so he just had to put up massive minor league numbers until everyone had no choice but to acknowledge the pudgy shaped slow running RFer could really play ball.

Even the fireballing "Miz" of the Brewers was barely on the 85-100 section of most preseason lists with his 100 mph fb due to control and health/injury concerns, reliever profile, etc.

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12 hours ago, ron883 said:

Such a shame. I think they bought into the idea that they can turn any big lefty into a dominant pitcher. Missing on a high 1st rounder is really painful. 

Just about every year.

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14 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

 

Not just control. His stuff isn’t even good. He’s been a massive disappointment. They passed on really good hitters to take him too. 

His stuff isn’t good?  He’s K’ing 13.5 per 9 which is the highest in the Southern League for anyone over 30 IP.

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2 hours ago, bmags said:

What was Meidroth ranked for Boston? 12? Good example of where antonnacci could be, (also brooks Baldwin).

Thats a win though.

He was 8th overall on BA’s pre-season list prior to the trade I believe.  And that was a system with six top 100 prospects at the time.

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I begged at the time of that draft to not draft a pitcher, and particularly to not draft Smith. He threw hard but his stuff never looked that great. Rough delivery and lots of Ks on pitches no professional hitter would ever swing at.  Paying him over-slot was just inexplicable.
And then we went back for more with the comp pick (has Larson made it to Kanny yet)?
I sense some hubris from the Sox about these lefties.

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