Rojas DFA'd Lee up

[WestEddy]

Yeah, I don't see what this does beyond Lee sitting most all days. 

c-teel/quero
1b-vargas
2b-sosa
ss-meidroth
3b-monty
lf-beni
cf-lubob
rf-tauch
dh-teel/quero

Now you have a bench of bb, mead, lee, m.a.t.

Maybe Brooks replaces Beni in LF or spells tauch in RF, where Beni goes to the bench, and then to Korea for 2026? Teel could stand in LF some days if they want to DH tauch. I guess they gotta play Benintendi in the slim hope he OPS's over .700 for a stretch, and somebody takes the Sox' money to release him. 

[Quin]

4 minutes ago, T R U said:

He has no position and I much prefer Meidroth's skillset as a 2B over Sosa. If you can package Quero and Sosa and get a good OFer I think that helps this team way more in the future. 

People keep saying Sosa is this teams best hitter, yet Meidroth has almost doubled him in bWAR already as a rookie with room to grow. I just don't think he's a valuable player.

Meidroth's is powered by stellar defense. He definitely has a place with the team, probably at 2B.

But right now:

1) If Sosa isn't a valuable player, why is a team giving up a good outfielder for him?

2) Right now, no one has 1B or 3B locked down, so might as well keep all three of Sosa, Vargas and Mead. Hell, Benintendi could get show the door as his contract begins to get cheaper and you could try one in LF.

3) Giving up Quero or Teel early means you risk losing a franchise catcher if the other flops. If Jacob Gonzalez suddenly went thermonuclear and Montgomery went into a sophomore slump, would it be time to trade Colson?

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, Quin said:

Meidroth's is powered by stellar defense. He definitely has a place with the team, probably at 2B.

But right now:

1) If Sosa isn't a valuable player, why is a team giving up a good outfielder for him?

2) Right now, no one has 1B or 3B locked down, so might as well keep all three of Sosa, Vargas and Mead. Hell, Benintendi could get show the door as his contract begins to get cheaper and you could try one in LF.

3) Giving up Quero or Teel early means you risk losing a franchise catcher if the other flops. If Jacob Gonzalez suddenly went thermonuclear and Montgomery went into a sophomore slump, would it be time to trade Colson?

If they run most of this group back next year, Meidroth is light years better as a 5th IF than Capra or Amaya. And he's a guy nobody minds seeing getting 2-4 starts a week between 2B/SS.

[T R U]

15 minutes ago, Quin said:

Meidroth's is powered by stellar defense. He definitely has a place with the team, probably at 2B.

But right now:

1) If Sosa isn't a valuable player, why is a team giving up a good outfielder for him?

2) Right now, no one has 1B or 3B locked down, so might as well keep all three of Sosa, Vargas and Mead. Hell, Benintendi could get show the door as his contract begins to get cheaper and you could try one in LF.

3) Giving up Quero or Teel early means you risk losing a franchise catcher if the other flops. If Jacob Gonzalez suddenly went thermonuclear and Montgomery went into a sophomore slump, would it be time to trade Colson?

I said I don’t think he’s a valuable player, albeit based on WAR and his lapses in the field. I would imagine most other teams probably lean that way as well, that’s why I said package him. 

You also risk hampering development by having them play together sparingly while rotating them game to game at catcher. I think Teel has the higher ceiling, so hitch your wagon there and go. I’m not following the Gonzalez reference, he’s never been good or touted why would that scenario ever play out?

Edited August 22 by T R U

[Quin]

6 minutes ago, T R U said:

I said I don’t think he’s a valuable player, albeit based on WAR and his lapses in the field. I would imagine most other teams probably lean that way as well, that’s why I said package him. 

You also risk hampering development by having them play together sparingly while rotating them game to game at catcher. I think Teel has the higher ceiling, so hitch your wagon there and go. I’m not following the Gonzalez reference, he’s never been good or touted why would that scenario ever play out?

Cause it's a What If scenario

[SoxBlanco]

22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Currently Teel and Quero are pretty much each playing 50% of the games.  If Lee allows them both to EACH play more, this is a win.  Think of it this way.  In 10 games, this allow you to 

Teel: Catch 4, DH 4

Quero: Catch 4 DH 4

Lee Catch 2

Someone else DH 2

You now have these guys playing 80% of the time, instead of 50%.

Yeah, I worded my response wrong when I said it could decrease the amount of games they both play. I meant it will be a decrease from the optimal strategy of getting them both in every game.

In other words, if you wanted them both in the lineup every single game, then you wouldn’t want Lee on the team. But if you’re scared of losing the DH and don’t play them both enough because of it (which is the reality of what is happening), then having Lee on the team will get them both in the game more often. 

[southsider2k5]

2 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

Yeah, I worded my response wrong when I said it could decrease the amount of games they both play. I meant it will be a decrease from the optimal strategy of getting them both in every game.

In other words, if you wanted them both in the lineup every single game, then you wouldn’t want Lee on the team. But if you’re scared of losing the DH and don’t play them both enough because of it (which is the reality of what is happening), then having Lee on the team will get them both in the game more often. 

They won't play them together every day without the 3rd catcher because if the catcher gets hurt, you would then lose the DH to move the other guy into the game.

[T R U]

2 minutes ago, Quin said:

Cause it's a What If scenario

I’m not suggesting to trade Quero because he’s not good, I’m suggesting trading him with Sosa to get an OF upgrade (with the potential loss of Robert and the inevitable Benintendi DFA) so you also don’t have to keep splitting time between the two of them. It’s a tough decision but that’s part of the job. 
 

1B/3B is covered between Mead and Vargas, Colson at SS, Meidroth at 2B and you still have Baldwin to work in (Who I also prefer to Sosa) as well as guys like Bonemer and Carlson for the future. 
 

This was merely a what if scenario trying to improve the roster, I’m not trying to say to get rid of anyone who is slumping or whatever. 

[Quin]

1 minute ago, T R U said:

I’m not suggesting to trade Quero because he’s not good, I’m suggesting trading him with Sosa to get an OF upgrade (with the potential loss of Robert and the inevitable Benintendi DFA) so you also don’t have to keep splitting time between the two of them. It’s a tough decision but that’s part of the job. 
 

1B/3B is covered between Mead and Vargas, Colson at SS, Meidroth at 2B and you still have Baldwin to work in (Who I also prefer to Sosa) as well as guys like Bonemer and Carlson for the future. 
 

This was merely a what if scenario trying to improve the roster, I’m not trying to say to get rid of anyone who is slumping or whatever. 

The What If scenario was thermonuclear Jacob Gonzalez 

[champagne030]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Took far too long but late is better than never.

That's the yardstick to measure Getz.  Seriously, about fucking time.

[T R U]

3 minutes ago, Quin said:

The What If scenario was thermonuclear Jacob Gonzalez 

Right, but as you alluded to that would just be ridiculous. 

But even then, if Jacob Gonzalez goes thermonuclear he’s probably way better than Sosa. 

Basically what I’m trying to say is I don’t like Lenyn Sosa lol. 

Edited August 22 by T R U

[SoxBlanco]

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

They won't play them together every day without the 3rd catcher because if the catcher gets hurt, you would then lose the DH to move the other guy into the game.

Yes, obviously. That’s why they haven’t been playing together more, and that’s why I added the part in parenthesis about the reality of what’s happening now. The Sox don’t want a scenario where they lose the DH, so having Lee on the team will get Teel and Quero in the game more. 

The other point I was trying to make is that another option (which obviously isn’t the way the Sox are thinking about it) is to not worry about losing the DH because of an injury and just play Teel and Quero every day. An injury mid-game is not a common occurrence, and even if it happens, it’s the rest of only one game where you’d be in trouble because of losing the DH. And if that’s the way a team viewed things (which is not the case with the Sox), then having a third catcher would actually reduce the playing time of your top two catchers. 

[T R U]

2 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

Yes, obviously. That’s why they haven’t been playing together more, and that’s why I added the part in parenthesis about the reality of what’s happening now. The Sox don’t want a scenario where they lose the DH, so having Lee on the team will get Teel and Quero in the game more. 

The other point I was trying to make is that another option (which obviously isn’t the way the Sox are thinking about it) is to not worry about losing the DH because of an injury and just play Teel and Quero every day. An injury mid-game is not a common occurrence, and even if it happens, it’s the rest of only one game where you’d be in trouble because of losing the DH. And if that’s the way a team viewed things (which is not the case with the Sox), then having a third catcher would actually reduce the playing time of your top two catchers. 

It’s still a problem, let’s just say they love Quero and Teel and want to keep both. You either commit to carrying 3 catchers or they only play like 50% of the games. Both are suboptimal options to me. For the remainder of 2025 though, whatever. 

[champagne030]

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

They won't play them together every day without the 3rd catcher because if the catcher gets hurt, you would then lose the DH to move the other guy into the game.

This is what blows my mind.  We could start them both and on the very remote chance the C gets hurt then you lose the DH for that day.  Who cares, were losing 100+ games anyway and just call up Lee the next day.  It's just bugged the s%*# out of me since they've both been up.

[SoxBlanco]

2 minutes ago, champagne030 said:

This is what blows my mind.  We could start them both and on the very remote chance the C gets hurt then you lose the DH for that day.  Who cares, we’re losing 100+ games anyway and just call up Lee the next day.  It's just bugged the s%*# out of me since they've both been up.

Yep. This is what I’m trying to say. It’s almost as if the Sox are prioritizing never losing the DH over getting Teel and Quero the most at bats possible. 

And I’m not saying this Lee move is what’s causing me to think that. This Lee move will obviously increase the playing time of Teel and Quero because we know the Sox ARE afraid of losing the DH, as evidenced by how infrequently Teel and Quero have been in the lineup together this year. 

[WestEddy]

23 minutes ago, T R U said:

I said I don’t think he’s a valuable player, albeit based on WAR and his lapses in the field. I would imagine most other teams probably lean that way as well, that’s why I said package him. 

You also risk hampering development by having them play together sparingly while rotating them game to game at catcher. I think Teel has the higher ceiling, so hitch your wagon there and go. I’m not following the Gonzalez reference, he’s never been good or touted why would that scenario ever play out?

Sosa is the Sox' best offensive player to date. He gets dinged on defense, most probably for his time at 1B, where's he's mostly playing out of position. Even with that drain on his value, he'll probably end up with 2 fWAR which is an average major leaguer. If he stayed at 2B, he's worth even more. At 25, I don't know if I see a 5 fWAR season in him (or a few), but he's certainly a guy who, now that the training wheels can come off, he may just be a nice 3 WAR dude to run out there at 2B. With 4 years of control, that's valuable. 

[southsider2k5]

9 minutes ago, champagne030 said:

This is what blows my mind.  We could start them both and on the very remote chance the C gets hurt then you lose the DH for that day.  Who cares, were losing 100+ games anyway and just call up Lee the next day.  It's just bugged the s%*# out of me since they've both been up.

Honestly, I don't see why one of them didn't pick up a 1B glove a day or two a week.  Can't be worse than what we have been running out there.

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Sosa is the Sox' best offensive player to date. He gets dinged on defense, most probably for his time at 1B, where's he's mostly playing out of position. Even with that drain on his value, he'll probably end up with 2 fWAR which is an average major leaguer. If he stayed at 2B, he's worth even more. At 25, I don't know if I see a 5 fWAR season in him (or a few), but he's certainly a guy who, now that the training wheels can come off, he may just be a nice 3 WAR dude to run out there at 2B. With 4 years of control, that's valuable. 

Of note, I agree.  There is no need to trade Sosa right now.  It isn't like he is getting you a decent OF anyway as a flawed IF himself.

[WestEddy]

6 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

Yep. This is what I’m trying to say. It’s almost as if the Sox are prioritizing never losing the DH over getting Teel and Quero the most at bats possible. 

And I’m not saying this Lee move is what’s causing me to think that. This Lee move will obviously increase the playing time of Teel and Quero because we know the Sox ARE afraid of losing the DH, as evidenced by how infrequently Teel and Quero have been in the lineup together this year. 

But they have been sharing the DH/C spot more now that Brooks Baldwin's back. He is the emergency 3rd catcher. I mean, if both Quero and Teel get hurt, you really don't want to suit up Lenyn Sosa. That's way worse than a position player pitching. 

[kitekrazy]

1 hour ago, T R U said:

Yeah that was my only gripe about it, but as 2k5 said its not like they really needing something else right now anyways so I guess its whatever.

Me personally, I would package Quero and Sosa in the offseason for an OFer and just hand over catching duties to Teel. Neither one of them have the bat for fulltime DH and seems like a waste to split them at catcher.

Ah the trade frenzy.......

Somehow the way the Sox ball bounces that will turn into a bad idea...........they'll somehow go back to being weak at catcher

[chitownsportsfan]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

If they run most of this group back next year, Meidroth is light years better as a 5th IF than Capra or Amaya. And he's a guy nobody minds seeing getting 2-4 starts a week between 2B/SS.

I'm not suggesting that's the best idea but if that's how it shakes out that's fine. We need to find OF, we have a decent IF group.

[WestEddy]

Rojas contract had incentives on it for games played. He could have earned $100,000 if he played in 90 games and an additional $100,000 for every ten games after that up to 130. The White Sox DFA’d him after 69 games played. https://t.co/jljxhqBCOY

— Mitchell Kaminski (@MitchKaminski99) August 22, 2025

[WestEddy]

Was going to say this earlier, but it felt trollish. 

 

Korey Lee's return gives the White Sox more flexibility to play Edgar Quero and Kyle Teel in the same lineup. Lee also could be an emergency option in the outfield or infield, as Will Venable said pregame.

— Scott Merkin (@scottmerkin) August 22, 2025

 

[WhiteSox2023]

3 hours ago, T R U said:

What exactly is the purpose of this? I don't see how this helps with getting both Teel and Quero in the lineup everyday as one needs to DH and one needs to Catch, unless they are going to go full White Sox and start playing them out of position to get it done.

I think you nailed it, or at least that is how Venable should play it.  Teel and Quero alternate between catcher and DH and Lee is a true backup catcher getting one or two starts a week.

[Bob Sacamano]

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I think you nailed it, or at least that is how Venable should play it.  Teel and Quero alternate between catcher and DH and Lee is a true backup catcher getting one or two starts a week.

I don’t even think the 3rd catcher would even play that often when you have 2 guys ahead of him alternating. Thats why I kinda figured Lee would get dealt (since there was interest) and Sabol would serve that role.