The Mighty Mite Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Back to back years with the worst bullpen (at least back end) in baseball. The cheapest and easiest part of a team to find success, and Getz has been abysmal. The ultimate blame goes to JR. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Back to back years with the worst bullpen (at least back end) in baseball. The cheapest and easiest part of a team to find success, and Getz has been abysmal. I've been told the peripherals on a lot of those bullpen guys aren't bad though...so there's that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 6 minutes ago, wegner said: I've been told the peripherals on a lot of those bullpen guys aren't bad though...so there's that. If only they'd start counting that instead of actual runs! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: If only they'd start counting that instead of actual runs! If ifs and buts were candy and nuts....we'd be .500 .400 Edited August 27 by wegner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Saw an interview with Stone on You Tube he said the Sox two biggest off season needs were getting a left handed power hitter who can drive in runs (he then added he's "only" been saying this for the last five years...) and to fix the bullpen. Specifically getting a set up man and a closer. We'll see what JR allows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Saw an interview with Stone on You Tube he said the Sox two biggest off season needs were getting a left handed power hitter who can drive in runs (he then added he's "only" been saying this for the last five years...) and to fix the bullpen. Specifically getting a set up man and a closer. We'll see what JR allows. We already have Benintendi for two more years! 😶 Edited August 27 by WhiteSox2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 This was a bad loss . Perez pitched great. Certainly making a case for his $10M option to be picked up. If it is picked up along with Robert's that's $30M worth of options. What did Getz spend last offseason . Was it around $30M for all the vets he signed ? I highly doubt JR allows much more than that , maybe another $20M .Don't think thats going to bring in very much. We'll have to see how the Robert saga plays out. All other attempts to trade him have not gone well. The LH power is going to have to come from Montgomery, Baldwin, And Teel and Quero in full 2nd seasons getting at least 10 HRs apiece. Maybe Baldwin can hit 15-20 and Montgomery 25-35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Back to back years with the worst bullpen (at least back end) in baseball. The cheapest and easiest part of a team to find success, and Getz has been abysmal. If the Sox had paid for any good veteran BP arms that performed well wouldnt they have been traded at the deadline ? You know this yet ignore it. What makes you think building a good pen is so easy especially when JR cut player payroll ? Even teams who spend a lot money have pens they arent real happy with. Phillies BP was terrible, they picked up Duran to close. The downfall of the Orioles has a lot to do with their terrible BP. The Mets picked up a couple good BP arms also in Helsley & Rogers at the TDL to shore up their porous pen. The Yankees, Tigers and Dodgers also havent had good pens. Tell their fans how easy it is and compare how much money those teams spent in the off season compared to what Getz spent. BP performance is a crapshoot and even worse when you bring in a ton of expendable arms and refuse to put too many of the kid relievers in the pen because you dont want to trade too much of your youth until you know more about them. Edited August 27 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 14 hours ago, kitekrazy said: WHO IS THIS OTHER GUY WITH CASPER ? HE'S LIKE ON PLANET DUH! The friendly ghost ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 15 hours ago, wegner said: Just checking in....Perez had 85 pitches, Any real reason to take him out?? What's a real reason ? Very few pitchers get into the 8th these days. Out of every starting pitcher who isnt an opener what percent of starters actually pitch into the 8th inning ? My guess is less than 5%. Now you could ask ok, how many pitchers throwing a one hitter through 7 innings throwing only 85 pitches in only their 2nd start after 4 months on the IL because of elbow inflamation due to a flexor tendon strain in his pitching arm, have pitched into the 8th inning Id have to say its at 0 % . But only because its a unique situation where today's thinking is not to stress out arms, especially arms that have been injured for 4 months. Sox can also retain Perez for next year by picking up his $10M option . The flexor tendon is the one that usually, if injured more seriously, results in Tommy John surgery. So if the Sox are trying to decide if Perez will be worth $10M next year they rather he not blow out his elbow. Edited August 27 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 32 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Oops Edited August 27 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 57 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: What's a real reason ? Very few pitchers get into the 8th these days. Out of every starting pitcher who isnt an opener what percent of starters actually pitch into the 8th inning ? My guess is less than 5%. Now you could ask ok, how many pitchers throwing a one hitter through 7 innings throwing only 85 pitches in only their 2nd start after 4 months on the IL because of elbow inflamation due to a flexor tendon strain in his pitching arm, have pitched into the 8th inning Id have to say its at 0 % . But only because its a unique situation where today's thinking is not to stress out arms, especially arms that have been injured for 4 months. Sox can also retain Perez for next year by picking up his $10M option . The flexor tendon is the one that usually, if injured more seriously, results in Tommy John surgery. So if the Sox are trying to decide if Perez will be worth $10M next year they rather he not blow out his elbow. Edited August 27 by wegner Never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 16 hours ago, fathom said: Problem is the main guy sucking is supposed to be the closer of the future It's a problem if he never pitches any better than he is now in his 1st few months in the big leagues . As far as rookie performances have gone this year the Sox are doing pretty well. There are multiple year All Stars and HOF pitchers who weren't great from the get go. Edited August 27 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Oh look, Robert gets hurt running hard to first base. Back on the IL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: If the Sox had paid for any good veteran BP arms that performed well wouldnt they have been traded at the deadline ? You know this yet ignore it. What makes you think building a good pen is so easy especially when JR cut player payroll ? Even teams who spend a lot money have pens they arent real happy with. Phillies BP was terrible, they picked up Duran to close. The downfall of the Orioles has a lot to do with their terrible BP. The Mets picked up a couple good BP arms also in Helsley & Rogers at the TDL to shore up their porous pen. The Yankees, Tigers and Dodgers also havent had good pens. Tell their fans how easy it is and compare how much money those teams spent in the off season compared to what Getz spent. BP performance is a crapshoot and even worse when you bring in a ton of expendable arms and refuse to put too many of the kid relievers in the pen because you dont want to trade too much of your youth until you know more about them. Why would you have to pay anyone. Quality bullpen arms are available with good scouting and development for cheap. It's an indicator of poor scouting and development in that space. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 51 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Why would you have to pay anyone. Quality bullpen arms are available with good scouting and development for cheap. It's an indicator of poor scouting and development in that space. Tell that to all the contending teams who had to go out and trade for arms at the TDL . Maybe you ought to start sending out your resume for GM to these teams like our other poster here who wanted JR to hire him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 5 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Saw an interview with Stone on You Tube he said the Sox two biggest off season needs were getting a left handed power hitter who can drive in runs (he then added he's "only" been saying this for the last five years...) and to fix the bullpen. Specifically getting a set up man and a closer. We'll see what JR allows. Montgomery qualifies as a left-handed bat. Set up man and closer is job #1 IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 19 hours ago, fathom said: Problem is the main guy sucking is supposed to be the closer of the future Nobody involved in the decision has declared Grant Taylor as "closer of the future". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 16 minutes ago, poppysox said: Montgomery qualifies as a left-handed bat. Set up man and closer is job #1 IMO. Waste of resources on a team that will be lucky to win 70 games next year or maybe with a good closer and setup man you win what 75-80 games if you, what's the saying ? Oh yea if you squint . Priorities will always be or always should be right now the development of starting position players and starting pitchers and only from the failed starting pitching do you see who you can develope into those RP. You cant scout you good cheap relief pitchers . How dontou do that ? Do you look for failures with good arms ? Wven great arms with great movement cannot succed unless they can command at the very least 2 quality pitches There is no such space for that to scout. Any pitcher you draft should be developed to be a SP. You dont draft relief pitchers unless its in late rounds but anyone drafted in late rounds the talent isn't there usually. If it was so easy and cheap wouldnt every GM in baseball know about this secret way to scout for good late inning relief pitchers and then they'd be in demand and not cheap. That's why at the trade deadline the very best RPs command a couple of decent prospects depending on how good they are and years before free agency. Plus it's the most inconsistent volatile position in baseball for a reason. Only established veteran arms can usually be counted on in the pressure cooker of pennant races and playoff games with some exceptions. Kopech did good with the Dodgers but back to his injured self this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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