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Getz won the Vaughn/ Civale trade


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1. Vaughn was key in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs.

2. Civale pitched innings as the young starters became tired.

3. Vaughn was important in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs.

4. Most people just wanted to dump or DFA Vaughn anyway.

5. Vaughn was crucial in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs

6. Civale was a veteran guide for the young Sox pitching staff. 

7. Vaughn was clutch in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs.

8. The Sox were able to flip Civale for a prospect. 

9. Vaughn was instrumental in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs.

10. The Sox only had to pay a small portion of Civale's salary. 

11. Vaughn was essential in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs.

 

My two favorite teams: The White Sox and whoever is playing the Cubs. 

 

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23 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

The rare “you win the trade if you actually lose the trade” rationale 

Civale was waived, no?  Cubs just claimed him, no prospect?

It was a trade.  Don't recall if they waived him first, but Civale asked for a trade if the Brewers wouldn't start him.  Days later the Vaughn trade happened. 

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14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It was a trade.  Don't recall if they waived him first, but Civale asked for a trade if the Brewers wouldn't start him.  Days later the Vaughn trade happened. 

No, Sox to cubs.  Sox just waived him, no prospect acquired

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hmmm

Happy for Vaughnie and the Brew Crew. He seems like a nice guy all things considered and I’m glad to see him contributing in a big way to a winning team. Same as Kopech last year. Too bad those guys didn’t work out here like we might have expected. 
 

I don’t know that we “won” the trade though considering Civale was a net negative here and Vaughn turned into Frank Thomas upon moving north of the border. But I’m glad we moved on from him in whatever fashion. It was time for him to go. It was an interesting swap but I’m not sure it was a W. Civale actually pitched 4.1 scoreless vs the Brewers after Boyd got rekt in 0.2 and our old friend Soroka did too. Honestly funny for the cubs that they gave Soroka meaningful innings in a postseason game. That org is even cheaper than ours with worse (virulently racist, interferes with elections to boot) ownership. They’re actually competitive right now and spent the same on their roster as we did with our recent 81-81 team. Did nothing at the deadline or last offseason. They’re going to completely blow their competitive window. 

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Vaughn had an OPS+ of 47 when he was optioned in May. Most here didn't even want him tendered a contract over the winter, me included. Yes, Milwaukee certainly got the better of that trade. Civale was a nice experiment. It would have been better if Boston traded something for him. Civale had 3 good starts coming out of the All-Star break, one against the Cubs, which the bullpen gave away in grand fashion. 

Vaughn sucked and needed a change of scenery. Weird how, with all the heroics, he still finished with a total OPS+ of 99 on the season. Civale ate some yum-yum innings, then cleaned out his locker thoroughly on his way out. Nobody launching invective about stunted chances or work ethic. I'm glad for Vaughn, I hope he's in the Brewers' plans going forward. I'm glad for Civale, I hope his relief appearance for the Cubs helps him secure a contract next season. 

My own takeaway is I'm glad to see the growth from Getz to not trade dudes just to make a trade for guys already running a lawn care business on their off days. If Boston wasn't offering something useful, just keep him. Same with Robert, same with any other of the bullpen dudes. 

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1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Getz loves Meadiocrity.

That trade wouldn't have pissed me off as much had he just traded Houser for the 2 pitchers without Mead.   Mead had no redeeming qualities as a player either statistically on paper (no power, no obp, high Ks, not a good defender) or in his actual play.  Just a lot of wasted time and crowding out other evaluations by playing him regularly for 6 weeks.

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43 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

That trade wouldn't have pissed me off as much had he just traded Houser for the 2 pitchers without Mead.   Mead had no redeeming qualities as a player either statistically on paper (no power, no obp, high Ks, not a good defender) or in his actual play.  Just a lot of wasted time and crowding out other evaluations by playing him regularly for 6 weeks.

Counterpoint: Curtis Mead kept Vinnie Capra and Jacob Amaya sporting their Charlotte Blues, and out of the White Sox clubhouse. 

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5 hours ago, GreenSox said:

That trade wouldn't have pissed me off as much had he just traded Houser for the 2 pitchers without Mead.   Mead had no redeeming qualities as a player either statistically on paper (no power, no obp, high Ks, not a good defender) or in his actual play.  Just a lot of wasted time and crowding out other evaluations by playing him regularly for 6 weeks.

The theory on Mead is that he was a really hyped prospect who couldn’t pick a lane hit vs. power. The Sox grabbed and said, “You gotta get stronger and hit for power.” They have a plan for him this offseason similar to Vargas. Is it gonna work? Who the heck knows? Gotta wait until next year to find out. But they are betting they can help him reach his ceiling. Not a terrible bet for a guy they picked up after he opted out of his AAA contract. Mead certainly has a higher ceiling than either of the pitchers they got.

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10 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

The theory on Mead is that he was a really hyped prospect who couldn’t pick a lane hit vs. power. The Sox grabbed and said, “You gotta get stronger and hit for power.” They have a plan for him this offseason similar to Vargas. Is it gonna work? Who the heck knows? Gotta wait until next year to find out. But they are betting they can help him reach his ceiling. Not a terrible bet for a guy they picked up after he opted out of his AAA contract. Mead certainly has a higher ceiling than either of the pitchers they got.

That would be much better if Mead was a competent outfielder, since they already have Vargas Sosa and two catchers that can hit.

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https://www.southsidesox.com/chicago-white-sox-commentary-and-analysis/117379/andrew-vaughn-was-never-going-to-be-king-in-chicago

 

"Even Erick Fedde saw a change in Vaughn from their time as teammates in Chicago and now in Milwaukee with his role being changed. This is what Fedde told Kyle Williams of the Chicago Sun-Times:

“[For Vaughn] to find his way here and reinvent himself is just awesome to see. I got to see the whole thing from one side to another, and I’m just really happy for him. Sometimes just [getting a] fresh set of eyes or just a feeling of a fresh start can do a lot to your confidence.”

I mean, if the White Sox could fix Miguel Vargas’ swing, maybe they could have fixed Vaughn’s swing issues like the Brewers did.

Instead, as (reporter) Williams pointed out, Vaughn likely needed to go to a team that did not need him to be an impact bat, just a supporting one.

The looseness of the clubhouse and the relative anonymity he can enjoy with the Brewers have allowed Vaughn to assimilate quickly. He’s not leaned on like he was with the Sox.

Being unable to handle the spotlight was why Andrew Vaughn was never going to be the king in Chicago. Instead, he is thriving just being a piece in a lineup playing for a National League pennant, and disappointing Chicago in the process."

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Of course, lost in all this in the fact that Golden Spikes winners and Top 5-10 first round draft picks are never selected to be "complementary" or "glue pieces," but that's exactly what Vaughn, Gordon Beckham and Nick Madrigal all turned out to be, essentially.

The other irony here is that in the "Average Joes/Andrews" lineup of the Brewers...he's still quite an important piece after Chourio/Yelich/Contreras.

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11 hours ago, fathom said:

I think given how bad Vaughn was here, this was the best possible outcome.  He was never gonna bring us back anything valuable, so why not help ends the Cubs season.

Bingo.   He was never going to succeed in the Sox's awful organization, as such he was practically worthless on the trade market.  This was absolutely the best possible outcome - send him to an organization that is 1) actually good at getting players to succeed and 2) the one team in the position to sink the Cubs' division title and pennant dreams. 

Getz didn't win the Vaughn trade, Sox fans did.  

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