vilehoopster Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 1. Vaughn was key in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs. 2. Civale pitched innings as the young starters became tired. 3. Vaughn was important in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs. 4. Most people just wanted to dump or DFA Vaughn anyway. 5. Vaughn was crucial in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs 6. Civale was a veteran guide for the young Sox pitching staff. 7. Vaughn was clutch in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs. 8. The Sox were able to flip Civale for a prospect. 9. Vaughn was instrumental in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs. 10. The Sox only had to pay a small portion of Civale's salary. 11. Vaughn was essential in the Brewers eliminating the Cubs. My two favorite teams: The White Sox and whoever is playing the Cubs. 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 Woof 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 The rare “you win the trade if you actually lose the trade” rationale Civale was waived, no? Cubs just claimed him, no prospect? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 23 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: The rare “you win the trade if you actually lose the trade” rationale Civale was waived, no? Cubs just claimed him, no prospect? It was a trade. Don't recall if they waived him first, but Civale asked for a trade if the Brewers wouldn't start him. Days later the Vaughn trade happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It was a trade. Don't recall if they waived him first, but Civale asked for a trade if the Brewers wouldn't start him. Days later the Vaughn trade happened. Civale was waived from Sox to Cubs is what was meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It was a trade. Don't recall if they waived him first, but Civale asked for a trade if the Brewers wouldn't start him. Days later the Vaughn trade happened. No, Sox to cubs. Sox just waived him, no prospect acquired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: No, Sox to cubs. Sox just waived him, no prospect acquired My bad, yes, correct. Cubs claimed him and assumed his deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 hmmm Happy for Vaughnie and the Brew Crew. He seems like a nice guy all things considered and I’m glad to see him contributing in a big way to a winning team. Same as Kopech last year. Too bad those guys didn’t work out here like we might have expected. I don’t know that we “won” the trade though considering Civale was a net negative here and Vaughn turned into Frank Thomas upon moving north of the border. But I’m glad we moved on from him in whatever fashion. It was time for him to go. It was an interesting swap but I’m not sure it was a W. Civale actually pitched 4.1 scoreless vs the Brewers after Boyd got rekt in 0.2 and our old friend Soroka did too. Honestly funny for the cubs that they gave Soroka meaningful innings in a postseason game. That org is even cheaper than ours with worse (virulently racist, interferes with elections to boot) ownership. They’re actually competitive right now and spent the same on their roster as we did with our recent 81-81 team. Did nothing at the deadline or last offseason. They’re going to completely blow their competitive window. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 I think given how bad Vaughn was here, this was the best possible outcome. He was never gonna bring us back anything valuable, so why not help ends the Cubs season. 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 Btw, the ticker on NBC Chicago last night said something like: Former White Sox player, Andrew Vaughn, hits deciding homer to eliminate Cubs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 Can’t wait to watch that prospect we got for Civale develop… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Can’t wait to watch that prospect we got for Civale develop… Well, at least the Civale “prospect” won’t have a negative WAR, which is better than we did for Houser. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Well, at least the Civale “prospect” won’t have a negative WAR, which is better than we did for Houser. Getz loves Meadiocrity. Edited October 12 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 Vaughn had an OPS+ of 47 when he was optioned in May. Most here didn't even want him tendered a contract over the winter, me included. Yes, Milwaukee certainly got the better of that trade. Civale was a nice experiment. It would have been better if Boston traded something for him. Civale had 3 good starts coming out of the All-Star break, one against the Cubs, which the bullpen gave away in grand fashion. Vaughn sucked and needed a change of scenery. Weird how, with all the heroics, he still finished with a total OPS+ of 99 on the season. Civale ate some yum-yum innings, then cleaned out his locker thoroughly on his way out. Nobody launching invective about stunted chances or work ethic. I'm glad for Vaughn, I hope he's in the Brewers' plans going forward. I'm glad for Civale, I hope his relief appearance for the Cubs helps him secure a contract next season. My own takeaway is I'm glad to see the growth from Getz to not trade dudes just to make a trade for guys already running a lawn care business on their off days. If Boston wasn't offering something useful, just keep him. Same with Robert, same with any other of the bullpen dudes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Getz loves Meadiocrity. That trade wouldn't have pissed me off as much had he just traded Houser for the 2 pitchers without Mead. Mead had no redeeming qualities as a player either statistically on paper (no power, no obp, high Ks, not a good defender) or in his actual play. Just a lot of wasted time and crowding out other evaluations by playing him regularly for 6 weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) 43 minutes ago, GreenSox said: That trade wouldn't have pissed me off as much had he just traded Houser for the 2 pitchers without Mead. Mead had no redeeming qualities as a player either statistically on paper (no power, no obp, high Ks, not a good defender) or in his actual play. Just a lot of wasted time and crowding out other evaluations by playing him regularly for 6 weeks. Counterpoint: Curtis Mead kept Vinnie Capra and Jacob Amaya sporting their Charlotte Blues, and out of the White Sox clubhouse. Edited October 12 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 4 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Counterpoint: Carson Mead kept Vinnie Capra and Jacob Amaya sporting their Charlotte Blues, and out of the White Sox clubhouse. See, he’s so bad you couldn’t get his name right! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 27 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: See, he’s so bad you couldn’t get his name right! I had a mnemonic but couldn't remember if it was Johnny Carson or Tony Curtis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 34 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: See, he’s so bad you couldn’t get his name right! Apropros for a totally forgettable player.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 Give it up for Marcus Thames everybody 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 5 hours ago, GreenSox said: That trade wouldn't have pissed me off as much had he just traded Houser for the 2 pitchers without Mead. Mead had no redeeming qualities as a player either statistically on paper (no power, no obp, high Ks, not a good defender) or in his actual play. Just a lot of wasted time and crowding out other evaluations by playing him regularly for 6 weeks. The theory on Mead is that he was a really hyped prospect who couldn’t pick a lane hit vs. power. The Sox grabbed and said, “You gotta get stronger and hit for power.” They have a plan for him this offseason similar to Vargas. Is it gonna work? Who the heck knows? Gotta wait until next year to find out. But they are betting they can help him reach his ceiling. Not a terrible bet for a guy they picked up after he opted out of his AAA contract. Mead certainly has a higher ceiling than either of the pitchers they got. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 10 minutes ago, Timmy U said: The theory on Mead is that he was a really hyped prospect who couldn’t pick a lane hit vs. power. The Sox grabbed and said, “You gotta get stronger and hit for power.” They have a plan for him this offseason similar to Vargas. Is it gonna work? Who the heck knows? Gotta wait until next year to find out. But they are betting they can help him reach his ceiling. Not a terrible bet for a guy they picked up after he opted out of his AAA contract. Mead certainly has a higher ceiling than either of the pitchers they got. That would be much better if Mead was a competent outfielder, since they already have Vargas Sosa and two catchers that can hit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) https://www.southsidesox.com/chicago-white-sox-commentary-and-analysis/117379/andrew-vaughn-was-never-going-to-be-king-in-chicago "Even Erick Fedde saw a change in Vaughn from their time as teammates in Chicago and now in Milwaukee with his role being changed. This is what Fedde told Kyle Williams of the Chicago Sun-Times: “[For Vaughn] to find his way here and reinvent himself is just awesome to see. I got to see the whole thing from one side to another, and I’m just really happy for him. Sometimes just [getting a] fresh set of eyes or just a feeling of a fresh start can do a lot to your confidence.” I mean, if the White Sox could fix Miguel Vargas’ swing, maybe they could have fixed Vaughn’s swing issues like the Brewers did. Instead, as (reporter) Williams pointed out, Vaughn likely needed to go to a team that did not need him to be an impact bat, just a supporting one. The looseness of the clubhouse and the relative anonymity he can enjoy with the Brewers have allowed Vaughn to assimilate quickly. He’s not leaned on like he was with the Sox. Being unable to handle the spotlight was why Andrew Vaughn was never going to be the king in Chicago. Instead, he is thriving just being a piece in a lineup playing for a National League pennant, and disappointing Chicago in the process." Edited October 13 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) Of course, lost in all this in the fact that Golden Spikes winners and Top 5-10 first round draft picks are never selected to be "complementary" or "glue pieces," but that's exactly what Vaughn, Gordon Beckham and Nick Madrigal all turned out to be, essentially. The other irony here is that in the "Average Joes/Andrews" lineup of the Brewers...he's still quite an important piece after Chourio/Yelich/Contreras. Edited October 13 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 11 hours ago, fathom said: I think given how bad Vaughn was here, this was the best possible outcome. He was never gonna bring us back anything valuable, so why not help ends the Cubs season. Bingo. He was never going to succeed in the Sox's awful organization, as such he was practically worthless on the trade market. This was absolutely the best possible outcome - send him to an organization that is 1) actually good at getting players to succeed and 2) the one team in the position to sink the Cubs' division title and pennant dreams. Getz didn't win the Vaughn trade, Sox fans did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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