Snopek Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 15 hours ago, Texsox said: There isn't an owner responsible for wins, that credit goes to the players. But loses fall in their laps. That's just the nature of the world. Ehh, I want that to be true, but I don’t think it is. Watch tonight. The first one to get to hoist the trophy will be the owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 19 hours ago, Texsox said: There isn't an owner responsible for wins, that credit goes to the players. But loses fall in their laps. That's just the nature of the world. In that regard that makes JR about the worst of the worst. Start factoring in things like market size and he looks even worst. Other owners only take action when an owner is accused of harassment or racist comments. If some franchise wants to be the Washington Generals the other owners don't care. So there really aren't many bad owners in their eyes. Sports are a weird business. I want someone to make a fortune in another business then spend all that further to make my team a winner. Which is why when the Sox won the World Series, Konerko gave the ball to future Hall of Famer Frank Thomas, and not to Jerry... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 The players don’t control how much the owner budgets to drafting, development, analytics, INT scouting, or to the major league payroll. The players have next to no impact on team construction. Every successful rebuild requires outside acquisitions somewhere. Perhaps the owner isn’t responsible for individual wins on a day to day basis, but to suggest ownership has no impact on winning is silly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 21 hours ago, Snopek said: Ehh, I want that to be true, but I don’t think it is. Watch tonight. The first one to get to hoist the trophy will be the owner. How much credit to we give JR for those Bulls trophies? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 18 hours ago, Tnetennba said: The players don’t control how much the owner budgets to drafting, development, analytics, INT scouting, or to the major league payroll. The players have next to no impact on team construction. Every successful rebuild requires outside acquisitions somewhere. Perhaps the owner isn’t responsible for individual wins on a day to day basis, but to suggest ownership has no impact on winning is silly. They have tremendous impact. But they won't receive credit. How much credit do you give JR for those Bulls trophies? We're agreeing the worst owner of sports has seven combined championships in two sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 22 hours ago, Snopek said: Ehh, I want that to be true, but I don’t think it is. Watch tonight. The first one to get to hoist the trophy will be the owner. Sure, the owner gets that honor. But fan perception is that the owner is furniture who spends money. When a team wins, the fans will politely boo the owner at the parade. When they don't, fans actively call for a sale. Peruse any Mariners chat, and, while not the majority, there is a definite sample of people who barrel in and yell that the Mariners will never win until they get a new owner who spends money. And they've got Julio Rodriguez under control through 2034 on a $119M contract, Raliegh through 2031 on a $105M contract, and Luis Castillo through 2028 on a $108M contract. The Mariners have 8 top 100 prospects in MLB rankings, and Bleacher Report just ranked their minor league system #1 in the game this September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 I agree that fans generally don’t credit owners for winning, but that doesn’t mean owners never get recognized. I’m not sure I even know what’s being argued here, which is what I get for butting in in the middle of it lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 I think it is fair to expect an owner to recruit a front office that can put together a winning program. So that's basically the baseline of competency for me. He has consistently failed at that for decades. He's failed at what I believe is the minimum to pass. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 On 11/2/2025 at 8:38 AM, Texsox said: How much credit to we give JR for those Bulls trophies? Partial credit goes to the Portland Trailblazers for the Bulls titles. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 53 minutes ago, kwolf said: Partial credit goes to the Portland Trailblazers for the Bulls titles. lol. Sam Bowie will live on in infamy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Sam Bowie will live on in infamy. LOL. Poor guy I am sure he's a fine man, but if I am a Portland fan I am going WHY!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 18 minutes ago, kwolf said: LOL. Poor guy I am sure he's a fine man, but if I am a Portland fan I am going WHY!!!!!!! It was a completely different game in the 1980s. As someone who lived through it, basketball revolved around the big center. Michael changed the game 180 degrees, and no one really saw it coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It was a completely different game in the 1980s. As someone who lived through it, basketball revolved around the big center. Michael changed the game 180 degrees, and no one really saw it coming. Exactly true. The Bulls front office thought the kid could sell a few tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 7 minutes ago, Texsox said: Exactly true. The Bulls front office thought the kid could sell a few tickets. That and Magic's point forward spot demonstrating that poditional versatility would be required in the NBA of the future... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 10 minutes ago, Texsox said: Exactly true. The Bulls front office thought the kid could sell a few tickets. The Bulls even tried to trade the puck for... Wait for it... A center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 19 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The Bulls even tried to trade the puck for... Wait for it... A center. Who can forget the Will? Purdue era. And the fans chanting for Graaaaan Ville in the final moments of a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 guys I would buy low on since Jerry is going to be cheap anyway: Casas and Detmers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: 2 guys I would buy low on since Jerry is going to be cheap anyway: Casas and Detmers Who are you pushing out with this? Sosa Vargas or Meidroth?Obviously Mead as well. Edited November 6 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/11/05/chicago-white-sox-soxfest-chris-getz/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 https://soxmachine.com/2025/11/white-sox-notes-tepid-approach-to-free-agency-comes-as-no-surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 5 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: https://soxmachine.com/2025/11/white-sox-notes-tepid-approach-to-free-agency-comes-as-no-surprise Getz-speak sounding more and more like Hahn by the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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