Robert Thread: Sox talking to Reds, Mets

[WestEddy]

36 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Ok, now let’s deal a discounted Robert to Mets lol

Rather, let's deal a newly realized elite Robert to the Mets. 

[Bob Sacamano]

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Rather, let's deal a newly realized elite Robert to the Mets. 

I meant in the discounted salary (Sox kicking in money)

[Chicago White Sox]

I won’t accept anything less than Clifford for Robert.  Throw his ass in LF against RHP, move Baldwin over to CF, and go with some RF platoon (Pereira along with Kelenic or a cheap LH vet) until Braden is ready.  Benintendi shares the DH spot with the two catchers and fills in at LF occasionally.  Hill makes the roster to help against LHP and serve as a late inning defensive replacement (god knows we’ll need him with this OF group).

I could 100% live with that setup for the season.  If the Big Red Dog can’t handle LF, the DH spot will likely open up at some point in the near future and he can shift there.  And if Baldwin can’t handle CF (or the OF in general) on a regular basis, he moves to a true UT role playing a little bit everywhere.

[WhiteSox2023]

5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I won’t accept anything less than Clifford for Robert.  Throw his ass in LF against RHP, move Baldwin over to CF, and go with some RF platoon (Pereira along with Kelenic or a cheap LH vet) until Braden is ready.  Benintendi shares the DH spot with the two catchers and fills in at LF occasionally.  Hill makes the roster to help against LHP and serve as a late inning defensive replacement (god knows we’ll need him with this OF group).

I could 100% live with that setup for the season.  If the Big Red Dog can’t handle LF, the DH spot will likely open up at some point in the near future and he can shift there.  And if Baldwin can’t handle CF (or the OF in general) on a regular basis, he moves to a true UT role playing a little bit everywhere.

I would hope that if a prospect like Clifford was being offered, Getz would have already taken the deal.  I know all the rumors have been about the Sox wanting pitching in return for Robert, but Getz would be nuts to turn down such an offer, which makes me think the offers aren’t that good.

Edited 5 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[Bob Sacamano]

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I won’t accept anything less than Clifford for Robert.  Throw his ass in LF against RHP, move Baldwin over to CF, and go with some RF platoon (Pereira along with Kelenic or a cheap LH vet) until Braden is ready.  Benintendi shares the DH spot with the two catchers and fills in at LF occasionally.  Hill makes the roster to help against LHP and serve as a late inning defensive replacement (god knows we’ll need him with this OF group).

I could 100% live with that setup for the season.  If the Big Red Dog can’t handle LF, the DH spot will likely open up at some point in the near future and he can shift there.  And if Baldwin can’t handle CF (or the OF in general) on a regular basis, he moves to a true UT role playing a little bit everywhere.

Clifford has also played 1B and that’s not exactly a position that’s set longterm so if he has to move there in a few years after proving he can’t play OF, it’s an option. 

[WhiteSox2023]

9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Clifford has also played 1B and that’s not exactly a position that’s set longterm so if he has to move there in a few years after proving he can’t play OF, it’s an option. 

Yep.  There’s no guarantee Murakami is all that he is hoped to be and/or that he will be with the Sox in 2028.

[Bob Sacamano]

1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yep.  There’s no guarantee Murakami is all that he is hoped to be and/or that he will be with the Sox in 2028.

Yeah. He’s here now but a 2-year deal isn’t “long-term.”

[Chicago White Sox]

12 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Clifford has also played 1B and that’s not exactly a position that’s set longterm so if he has to move there in a few years after proving he can’t play OF, it’s an option. 

Exactly

[WhiteSox2023]

3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah. He’s here now but a 2-year deal isn’t “long-term.”

And Clifford is only 22.  Like you said, hiding him at LF/DH for a couple seasons wouldn’t be the end of the world.  We are already used to bad defense in LF anyways.  🤣

Edited 5 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[WhiteSox2023]

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Exactly

Well s%*#, @Chicago White Sox.  Will this Clifford thing into existence like Murakami.

[Chicago White Sox]

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I would hope that if a prospect like Clifford was being offered, Getz would have already taken the deal.  I know all the rumors have been about the Sox wanting pitching in return for Robert, but Getz would be nuts to turn down such an offer, which makes me think the offers aren’t that good.

My guess is they haven’t offered a prospect like Clifford just yet.  That being said, they desperately need a CF and there is no one out there of Robert’s caliber.  And if we’re being honest, Clifford is a good not great prospect.  Enough warts there that he’s theoretically attainable for Robert.  The only challenge is the Mets don’t really need money, so absorbing part of his contract probably doesn’t help.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

The more I think about it, wouldn’t it make more sense for the Mets just to sign Bellinger (or even Bader) than give up assets for Robert?

[Bob Sacamano]

4 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

The more I think about it, wouldn’t it make more sense for the Mets just to sign Bellinger (or even Bader) than give up assets for Robert?

Yes. But when they not want to give a 5/6/7/8 year deal , $30M+ deal. Plus 100% tax on the years they spend over on it

Edited 5 hours ago by Bob Sacamano

[Chicago White Sox]

7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yes. But when they not want to give a 5/6/7/8 year deal , $30M+ deal. Plus 100% tax on the years they spend over on it

Yup, Mets fans are saying the same things.  Stearns doesn’t want to commit to that many years.  Robert actually makes perfect sense for them.  He’s a high risk, high reward player who they can afford to roll the dice on I hopes of narrowing their gap to the Dodgers come the playoffs.

[Chicago White Sox]

Imagine this lineup in two years:

1. Antonacci, 2B*
2. Teel, CA*
3. Cholowsky, SS
4. C. Montgomery, 3B*
5. Murakami, 1B*
6. Bonemer, LF
7. B. Montgomery, RF#
8. Clifford, DH*
9. Baldwin# / FA / Trade, CF

Try to move Quero after the 2026 season for a CF.  Carlson replaces Antonacci the following year if all goes to plan (and pushes Roch to 2B).  Regardless, there would be a fuckton of potential with that lineup and adding 25 dongs from that Big Red Dog is a key part of it.  Make it happen Getz!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[fathom]

15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Imagine this lineup in two years:

1. Antonacci, 2B*
2. Teel, CA*
3. Cholowsky, SS
4. C. Montgomery, 3B*
5. Murakami, 1B*
6. Bonemer, LF
7. B. Montgomery, RF#
8. Clifford, DH*
9. Baldwin# / FA / Trade, CF

Try to move Quero after the 2026 season for a CF.  Carlson replaces Antonacci the following year if all goes to plan (and pushes Roch to 2B).  Regardless, there would be a fuckton of potential with that lineup and adding 25 dongs from that Big Red Dog is a key part of it.  Make it happen Getz!

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’m so proud of you!

[Chicago White Sox]

1 hour ago, fathom said:

I’m so proud of you!

Don’t get too excited!  The only reason Meidroth is not in the OD lineup is because I expect him to be injured.  He’ll be right back at 2B and lead off when healthy!

[Timmy U]

In a world where Tucker gets $57 mil per year and Bichette is getting $40 is Robert even overpaid? $20 mil for a good defensive cf who might hit 20 dongs in 100 games is not bad. I’d rather keep him than watch Ryan Clifford in the of. But that’s me. I am on a quest to not lose 100 games again.

[ptatc]

11 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

In a world where Tucker gets $57 mil per year and Bichette is getting $40 is Robert even overpaid? $20 mil for a good defensive cf who might hit 20 dongs in 100 games is not bad. I’d rather keep him than watch Ryan Clifford in the of. But that’s me. I am on a quest to not lose 100 games again.

No kidding. 20 mil is now bench player salary.

[Chicago White Sox]

28 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

In a world where Tucker gets $57 mil per year and Bichette is getting $40 is Robert even overpaid? $20 mil for a good defensive cf who might hit 20 dongs in 100 games is not bad. I’d rather keep him than watch Ryan Clifford in the of. But that’s me. I am on a quest to not lose 100 games again.

I take it you aren’t a Ryan Clifford fan.

[fathom]

23 minutes ago, ptatc said:

No kidding. 20 mil is now bench player salary.

Ohtani would get 100 mil per year now 

[Timmy U]

9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I take it you aren’t a Ryan Clifford fan.

As a flyer 1b, not horrible. He’s not an outfielder. That puts a lot of pressure on the bat. Best case scenario he’s lotta power, lotta walks, lotta Ks. So, not that many pathways to success for him.

[Chicago White Sox]

22 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

As a flyer 1b, not horrible. He’s not an outfielder. That puts a lot of pressure on the bat. Best case scenario he’s lotta power, lotta walks, lotta Ks. So, not that many pathways to success for him.

I’d love to have a DH (or 1B) that is actually a potential thumper.  29 HR’s as a 21 year old in the upper minors is impressive, even if there isn’t a lot more physical projection left and he comes with contact warts.  I think it’s a prospect profile that is a bit undervalued by major league front offices in this day & age.

[Lukakke Appling]

I love AJ Ewing, but not sure if they’d give him up. Where is the Clifford talk coming from? Is it a thing, or just speculation on the board?

[ChiSoxFanMike]

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Imagine this lineup in two years:

1. Antonacci, 2B*
2. Teel, CA*
3. Cholowsky, SS
4. C. Montgomery, 3B*
5. Murakami, 1B*
6. Bonemer, LF
7. B. Montgomery, RF#
8. Clifford, DH*
9. Baldwin# / FA / Trade, CF

Try to move Quero after the 2026 season for a CF.  Carlson replaces Antonacci the following year if all goes to plan (and pushes Roch to 2B).  Regardless, there would be a fuckton of potential with that lineup and adding 25 dongs from that Big Red Dog is a key part of it.  Make it happen Getz!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looking at this lineup written out, I’d honestly rather keep Robert and hopefully extend him and just sign a veteran masher to DH. It’s a lot easier to find a DH than a CF with Robert’s defensive abilities.