2025 Rule 5 Thread

[caulfield12]

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

No you don't. You see 5 or 6 guys you're not excited by and who play positions that Pallette doesn't. Sure, let's cut Ben Cowles and Tanner Murray, because who needs to carry minor league backup infielders during the off-season? Can't we just pick up guys like Jacob Amaya or Vinnie Capra off the waiver wire and plug them in? That always works so well. 

Derek Hill? Yeah, he sucks. Just toss Tim Elko an outfielder's mitt, and he'll be a 5-WAR player, right? Or maybe you're looking at guys who actually pitched against major league hitters, and didn't completely suck chode like Tyler Gilbert or Brandon Eisert? No, they're not 2nd rounders, but they can get outs in the bigs. Peyton Pallette isn't better than those guys. 

Nobody knows who is better...and teams building for 2028-30 should have enough minor league depth built up that they're not resorting to journeymen like Booser Wilson Eisert Ellard Gilbert.  Why, because their trade value is pretty much negligible, and what's the upside for guys approaching or in their 30s already?

[ChiSoxFanMike]

13 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

No you don't. You see 5 or 6 guys you're not excited by and who play positions that Pallette doesn't. Sure, let's cut Ben Cowles and Tanner Murray, because who needs to carry minor league backup infielders during the off-season? Can't we just pick up guys like Jacob Amaya or Vinnie Capra off the waiver wire and plug them in? That always works so well. 

Derek Hill? Yeah, he sucks. Just toss Tim Elko an outfielder's mitt, and he'll be a 5-WAR player, right? Or maybe you're looking at guys who actually pitched against major league hitters, and didn't completely suck chode like Tyler Gilbert or Brandon Eisert? No, they're not 2nd rounders, but they can get outs in the bigs. Peyton Pallette isn't better than those guys. 

Pallette struck out over 11 per 9 at the AAA level. Who’s to say he’s not better than them? They never even gave him the chance to prove that one way or the other.

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

Pallette struck out over 11 per 9 at the AAA level. Who’s to say he’s not better than them? They never even gave him the chance to prove that one way or the other.

He didn't earn the chance. 

[GreenSox]

30 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

No you don't. You see 5 or 6 guys you're not excited by and who play positions that Pallette doesn't. Sure, let's cut Ben Cowles and Tanner Murray, because who needs to carry minor league backup infielders during the off-season? Can't we just pick up guys like Jacob Amaya or Vinnie Capra off the waiver wire and plug them in? That always works so well. 

Derek Hill? Yeah, he sucks. Just toss Tim Elko an outfielder's mitt, and he'll be a 5-WAR player, right? Or maybe you're looking at guys who actually pitched against major league hitters, and didn't completely suck chode like Tyler Gilbert or Brandon Eisert? No, they're not 2nd rounders, but they can get outs in the bigs. Peyton Pallette isn't better than those guys. 

Is Cowles really any different than Capra?  Derek Hill?     Mead?    these guys, and others  are all waiver-wire replaceable.  Palette may not be the Sox cup of tea  - fine.  But they had plenty of room to protect him.  

On a side note, Mead has no power, does not walk, has a high K rate; is a poor defender and has no speed.  What is a good/developed/top prospec version of Mead supposed to be able to do?

 

 

Edited Thursday at 01:31 AM by GreenSox

[WestEddy]

7 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

On what basis is Cowles any different than Capra?  Derek Hill?     Mead? come on.   these guys, and others  are all waiver-wire replaceable.  Palette may not be the Sox cup of tea  - fine.  But they had plenty of room to protect him.  

On a side note, Mead has no power, does not walk, has a high K rate; is a poor defender and has no speed.  What is a good/developed/top prospec version of Mead supposed to be able to do?

 

 

Cowles is younger and has options. Capra and Amaya are out of options. Derek Hill can play CF for stretches. Mead has top 40 prospect pedigree. 

I'm not happy Pallette's gone, but the Sox worked with him for 3 seasons and didn't like him enough to protect. Maybe they turn out to be wrong. But it's a non-argument to point at other players and say they could be cut to make room for him. If he can't force the issue, that's on him. 

[caulfield12]

42 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

He didn't earn the chance. 

Says Chris Getz...we will see who is right, him or Chernoff.

 

[Y2Jimmy0]

1 hour ago, SoxBlanco said:

I take it you’re fine with the Sox not protecting him?

I like him and would’ve protected him. I’m guessing he’ll be back though. 

1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

$1.5 about $340K over-slot.  
 

Yep. They were hoping he could start and Brian Bannister didn’t work here at the time. 

[ChiSoxFanMike]

56 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

He didn't earn the chance. 

Cmon man. I don’t know whether he would’ve been good or not, but it’s not like the Sox bullpen was full of Mariano Rivera’s. It puzzled me that they never gave him a chance even with all the roster churning they did.

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

No you don't. You see 5 or 6 guys you're not excited by and who play positions that Pallette doesn't. Sure, let's cut Ben Cowles and Tanner Murray, because who needs to carry minor league backup infielders during the off-season? Can't we just pick up guys like Jacob Amaya or Vinnie Capra off the waiver wire and plug them in? That always works so well. 

Derek Hill? Yeah, he sucks. Just toss Tim Elko an outfielder's mitt, and he'll be a 5-WAR player, right? Or maybe you're looking at guys who actually pitched against major league hitters, and didn't completely suck chode like Tyler Gilbert or Brandon Eisert? No, they're not 2nd rounders, but they can get outs in the bigs. Peyton Pallette isn't better than those guys. 

If your team is down to giving extended starts and at bats to guys like Ben Cowles, Tanner Murray, Derek Hill, Jacob Amaya, or Vinnie Capra, your season is over regardless.

Edited Thursday at 02:20 AM by WhiteSox2023

[WhiteSox2023]

59 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Is Cowles really any different than Capra?  Derek Hill?     Mead?    these guys, and others  are all waiver-wire replaceable.  Palette may not be the Sox cup of tea  - fine.  But they had plenty of room to protect him.  

On a side note, Mead has no power, does not walk, has a high K rate; is a poor defender and has no speed.  What is a good/developed/top prospec version of Mead supposed to be able to do?

 

 

Exactly.  They are all spare parts for a non-competitive team.

[caulfield12]

"Always interesting to see what adjustments they make with him. The FanGraphs scouting report says he has a ton of spin on his curve but the way it comes out of his hand it doesn't tunnel well. Surprised the white sox didn't keep this guy."

Kudos to the Locked On Guardians guys too from their podcast this morning. I believe Pallette was #1 on Justin's list and Jeff thought he'd be long gone by the time Cleveland's turn to pick came up.

coveringthecorner.com

 

 

16 min mark or so 

Comped to Trevor Stephan...who also pitched at Arkansas.

What, no Danny Wright mentions lol?

Edited Thursday at 02:35 AM by caulfield12

[WestEddy]

19 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

If your team is down to giving extended starts and at bats to guys like Ben Cowles, Tanner Murray, Derek Hill, Jacob Amaya, or Vinnie Capra, your season is over regardless.

Yeah, those are the kind of players who step in and start for a couple weeks when you starter goes down to injury. Braden Shewmake is still on the Yankees' 40-man. I guess they suck, too. 

[chitownsportsfan]

27 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Exactly.  They are all spare parts for a non-competitive team.

most teams have s%*# players somewhere on the 26 and 40 man. But bad teams like the sox have been don't have any stars and lack even average regulars. I'm not going to get that upset about back end s%*#, at least as someone noted they seem to be churning through them faster. 

that said, find some fucking good players.

[WhiteSox2023]

22 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Yeah, those are the kind of players who step in and start for a couple weeks when you starter goes down to injury. Braden Shewmake is still on the Yankees' 40-man. I guess they suck, too. 

That’s not what I said.  I said multiple garbage players for a bunch of games.  Meanwhile, you mentioned one scrub player from the Yankees that didn’t play in a single MLB game for them last year.  The 2025 White Sox had all of these scrubs play for the team:

Nick Maton

Joshua Palacios

Curtis Mead

Jacob Amaya

Tim Elko

Will Robertson

Vinny Capra

Ryan Noda

Bobby Dalbec

Travis Jankowski

 

Edited Thursday at 03:03 AM by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

That’s not what I said.  I said multiple garbage players for a bunch of games.  Meanwhile, you mentioned one scrub player from another team.  The 2025 White Sox had all of these scrubs play for the team:

Nick Maton

Joshua Palacios

Curtis Mead

Jacob Amaya

Tim Elko

Will Robertson

Vinny Capra

Ryan Noda

Bobby Dalbec

Travis Jankowski

 

Maton, Palacios, Amaya, Dalbec and Jankowski all played in the first couple of months. Then they promoted 4 prospects who are part of their core, right now. That's how it's supposed to happen with a team in their position. Play scrubs until the actual prospects displace them, which is what happened. Mead, Elko and Robertson were all prospects given a shot in the 2nd half, which is what you want them to be doing. 

I'm not sure what the problem is. They didn't expose Pallette to the Rule 5 because of Travis Jankowski. They exposed Pallette because he didn't force the issue to get on their 40-man. The end. 

[mac9001]

I like Pallette, he might even eventually have a MLB career. But he hasn't demonstrated the level of command one would require to succeed at this level. If you're willing to claim guys on waivers and make multiple R5 picks there is no shortage of dudes with stuff that lack MLB level command. We have 3-5 guys on the system right now have have legit big league stuff, but don't have anywhere near the command to succeed. If you just keep recycling these guys eventually you'll hit on one or five. Pallette should have been given a chance last year as it was time to recycle half the bullpen. I don't really have an issue losing a guy like him because they're fairly replaceable, but if you just keep the 40 man loaded with these dudes that show no progress or have demonstrated elite levels of failures then what's the plan? Wheres the strategy? If you're gonna just fill the 40 man roster with garage and let it rot you might as well do it with your home grown garage, at least there's sentimental value behind it.

[Soxfest]

Neither guy selected today has thrown an inning in AA, not expecting much. Should have protected Pallette. 

Edited Thursday at 03:18 AM by Soxfest

[WestEddy]

1 hour ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

Cmon man. I don’t know whether he would’ve been good or not, but it’s not like the Sox bullpen was full of Mariano Rivera’s. It puzzled me that they never gave him a chance even with all the roster churning they did.

It puzzled me too. I just figured they either just weren't enamored with his arsenal, or he wasn't progressing as they wanted. Just because you don't have a team full of Mariano Riveras doesn't mean you have to fill your roster with middling dudes. I'd imagine they see Alberto and Paez as dudes who could explode and be stars. Pallette just wasn't doing that for them.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

It puzzled me too. I just figured they either just weren't enamored with his arsenal, or he wasn't progressing as they wanted. Just because you don't have a team full of Mariano Riveras doesn't mean you have to fill your roster with middling dudes. I'd imagine they see Alberto and Paez as dudes who could explode and be stars. Pallette just wasn't doing that for them.

Only thing that ever jumped out at me regarding Pallette is his extension is pretty mediocre. If there is on thing that certainly seems like a Bannister "thing" its guys with above average to elite extension. I'm not worried about it. I honestly think CLE will return him, and if they don't, Peyton Pallette is not going to make or break the future of this team.

Edited Thursday at 03:41 AM by CWSpalehoseCWS

[Lip Man 1]

https://www.southsidesox.com/chicago-white-sox-news/118639/white-sox-select-rhps-jedixson-paez-and-alexander-alberto-in-mlb-rule-5-draft

[46DidIt]

Mead was the Rays' 3rd ranked prospect a year and a half ago and is 488 PA into his MLB career. No way you keep a minor league reliever who isnt even ranked very high in Sox lists over him.

Keeping Palette over the two rule 5 selections because they spent a 2nd round pick and 1.5 million dollars is sunken cost fallacy. If the Sox think the two pitchers are better pitchers is all that matters there. Whether they are correct I have no idea.

Hudson over Palette might be most questionable, but I have to say his major league numbers from 2024 look pretty damn spiffy. I'd imagine that the odds of Palette ever putting up those kinds of numbers is slim at best.

Hill  I think they must have planned as member of 26 man roster.

The idea they have three spots open for a bat and a couple arms seems reasonable so might as well let whoever you'd end up cutting anyway. Basically did Palette a favor there, since whoever took him will presumably have to give him mlb time

 

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Maton, Palacios, Amaya, Dalbec and Jankowski all played in the first couple of months. Then they promoted 4 prospects who are part of their core, right now. That's how it's supposed to happen with a team in their position. Play scrubs until the actual prospects displace them, which is what happened. Mead, Elko and Robertson were all prospects given a shot in the 2nd half, which is what you want them to be doing. 

I'm not sure what the problem is. They didn't expose Pallette to the Rule 5 because of Travis Jankowski. They exposed Pallette because he didn't force the issue to get on their 40-man. The end. 

Not that I think this Pallette non-protection thing is a big deal, but the majority of scrubs Getz gave playing time to last season didn’t earn their playing time either.  🤣

[Fielder Jones]

Hill is nearly a 1.5 fWAR player who costs nothing. we dont tend to have those sadly ,so he matters

[caulfield12]

11 minutes ago, Fielder Jones said:

Hill is nearly a 1.5 fWAR player who costs nothing. we dont tend to have those sadly ,so he matters

That's pretty much the floor of any 625-650 hitting SS or CF with very good defensive metrics.

But that's not even close to even an average CFer on a 2025 playoff team.

[Autumn Dreamin]

BA is high on Alberto. Don't let him gamble.

2. White Sox — Jedixson Paez, RHP, Red Sox

What he does well: Paez has arguably the best control of any pitcher available in the Rule 5 draft. He fills the zone and walks no one. Often Rule 5 picks can’t make the team because MLB managers don’t trust them to throw strikes. That should not be an issue for Paez.

What he needs to work on: Paez’s stuff is fringy, and when he tried to ramp up the stuff in 2025, he ended up missing much of the season with a calf injury. He has yet to pitch above High-A, so he’s about to face a massive jump in quality of hitters.

How he could fit on an MLB roster: Paez’s control gives him a chance to come to White Sox camp as an arm who could start or pitch in the bullpen. But he’ll have to show he isn’t overwhelmed by the significant jump to the big leagues.

13. White Sox — Alexander Alberto, RHP, Rays

What he does well: Alberto is the best arm to be taken in the Rule 5 draft. He can throw a 100 mph cut-fastball, offering a minor glimpse of Emmanuel Clase-level stuff.

What he needs to work on: Alberto has yet to reach Double-A and has only logged 35 career High-A innings. So while he has MLB-caliber stuff, his experience is far from it. Alberto will need to cram multiple years of development into one spring training.

How he could fit on an MLB roster: The White Sox are a perfect fit for Alberto. They should be able to accept some bad outings as he adjusts to the major leagues. If they can be patient, he has high-leverage reliever stuff.